[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure they do but that's a whole other subject. The subject here is whether or not it's right for Doctors to give IVF treatment to a couple that are that old. I presume they wouldn't give a 15 year old IVF treatment

I presume not. But isn't 70 the new 50?

If you've got enough cash you can probably find someone to do just about anything you want. Look at Michael Jackson - clearly had issues and yet was still treated by cosmetic surgeons. I'm not saying them having this child is right, just that isn't not as wrong as some things.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I presume not. But isn't 70 the new 50?

If you've got enough cash you can probably find someone to do just about anything you want. Look at Michael Jackson - clearly had issues and yet was still treated by cosmetic surgeons. I'm not saying them having this child is right, just that isn't not as wrong as some things.

fair enough and yes absolutely agree about Michael Jackson/cosmetic surgery

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

fair enough and yes absolutely agree about Michael Jackson/cosmetic surgery

He was an adult and gave his consent, nobody is considering that the child will be a carer before his/ her teens

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was an adult and gave his consent, nobody is considering that the child will be a carer before his/ her teens

Yeah that's another point


But re Michael Jackson and his surgery, I was just agreeing that it's similar on an ethical level

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was an adult and gave his consent, nobody is considering that the child will be a carer before his/ her teens

Michael Jackson was an adult with money, as was the woman who's had the baby. Cash = virtually anything you want.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Michael Jackson was an adult with money, as was the woman who's had the baby. Cash = virtually anything you want.

Ethically it shouldn't be allowed, the child has no voice in this, just the parents selfishness and the greed of the clinic

[Niamh.]

But why should extended family be expected to raise a child they didn't decide to have? That's kind of unfair


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[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But why should extended family be expected to raise a child they didn't decide to have? That's kind of unfair


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I'm hoping they would be involved in the whole having a child discussion, if there were a likelihood of the parents not lasting long...if not, that's a whole nother story.

[Denver]

I was expecting the dad to be her 18 year old toyboy

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I was expecting the dad to be her 18 year old toyboy

Haha, Jeremy Kyle would have a field day!

[Toy Soldier]

Well, go have_. had two years of IVF we at least can guess that they have the cash to support the child whether they live long lives or not.

My only real caveat would be, that they have someone 100% on board with being the child's new parent should they die or become unable to be primary carer, and that that person is a major part of the child's everyday life up until that point and has as strong a bond with them as the parents themselves. No matter how much a child is loved, you can't underestimate the damage that losing both parents and then going to a stranger or relative stranger does to a child. It would have to be that, if the parents do die, the child can continue their life without it being turned upside down, and with someone who they already know and love.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well, go have_. had two years of IVF we at least can guess that they have the cash to support the child whether they live long lives or not.

My only real caveat would be, that they have someone 100% on board with being the child's new parent should they die or become unable to be primary carer, and that that person is a major part of the child's everyday life up until that point and has as strong a bond with them as the parents themselves. No matter how much a child is loved, you can't underestimate the damage that losing both parents and then going to a stranger or relative stranger does to a child. It would have to be that, if the parents do die, the child can continue their life without it being turned upside down, and with someone who they already know and love.

Agree 100%

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thoughts on this? I think it's incredibly selfish, the mother is in her early 70's and the father is almost 80, the life expectancy in India is 67, what's going to happen to that child when they die? he could still be a toddler. Disgraceful that they were allowed have IVF imo

Doctors raise concerns after elderly Indian woman gives birth

New Delhi (AFP) - Doctors in India on Wednesday raised ethical and health concerns after a woman gave birth to her first child in her 70s, following two years of IVF treatment.

Daljinder Kaur gave birth last month to a healthy boy after falling pregnant by her 79-year-old husband, following fertility treatment at a northern Indian clinic.

Kaur said the couple, married for 46 years, were overjoyed at finally having their first child after enduring years of taunts in a country where infertility is sometimes seen as a curse from God.

“I feel blessed to be able to hold my own baby. I had lost hope of becoming a mother ever,” Kaur told AFP from her home in Amritsar city.

“I used to feel empty. There was so much loneliness.”

Kaur put her age at about 70 – a common scenario in India, where many people don’t have birth certificates – while the clinic said in a statement that she was 72.

But fertility expert Sunil Jindal raised questions about the future of a child born to elderly parents, as well as health issues for the mother.

“There are ethical issues. In my opinion it is unfair to do such a procedure on a woman who is over 60,” Jindal told AFP.

“The sheer fact that a woman in her 70s has to carry the weight of a child in her womb for nine months is stressful.



"Then the question comes how are the parents going to look after the baby? That is also quite a task.”

The clinic, in the northern state of Haryana, told AFP the couple’s baby was conceived using Kaur’s egg and her husband’s sperm after two previous unsuccessful attempts.

But Britain’s the Guardian newspaper on Wednesday quoted the clinic’s doctor saying donor eggs were used. The doctor declined to comment to AFP on Wednesday, saying it was not ethical of him to do so.

Gynaecologist Anshu Jindal, based in Meerut not far from the capital, said she tried to discourage women over the age of 60 from undergoing fertility treatment – for the sake of both mother and child.

“According to me it is not an age to have a baby. It will take a toll,” she told AFP.

The clinic’s doctor told AFP on Tuesday that tests showed Kaur was medically fine to carry the baby through pregnancy.

The case is not the first in India – a 72-year-old woman from Uttar Pradesh state reportedly gave birth to twins in 2008, also through IVF.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/indian-...100752048.html

Selfish to the core and immoral medics who will do anything for cash.