[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

What?

I didn't mean you I meant in general.

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

This is the problem with CBB, for the most part people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

[Tom4784]

No, Frankie's awful.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

This is the problem with CBB, for the most part people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

I would say people ignoring all preconceptions and voting someone as deplorable as Jim Davidson as the winner would be a bigger problem.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I would say people ignoring all preconceptions and voting someone as deplorable as Jim Davidson as the winner would be a bigger problem.

Are you judging him as 'deplorable' inside the house or out of it? If it's the latter then we may as well just go home and not bother having the show, because if people are going to be judged on what they're like outside of the house (and this also applies to civilian in cases like Andrew) then that goes against the entire point of the programme which is to judge them as housemates inside the house. If you don't put them all on blank slates, there really is no point in the series actually going ahead

If it's inside then fair enough

[lewis111]

The males seem awful but when are they not
Amazing female line up tho

[LeatherTrumpet]

Biggings

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

This is the problem with CBB, for the most part people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

There's a difference between having preconceptions and having watched somebody in a Big Brother house for nearly 100 days and all of those days featuring that person being completely ****ing dreadful

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MB.

There's a difference between having preconceptions and having watched somebody in a Big Brother house for nearly 100 days and all of those days featuring that person being completely ****ing dreadful

I can acknowledge that, but CBB/BBUK is a totally different show to BBUS (a line lots of people on here like to peddle) and there's absolutely no reason in theory why he cannot act differently this time around

Judging housemates before they've even entered takes away the entire point of the show

[Tom4784]

A season of awfulness is enough to judge that he's going to be ****ing terrible. It's not like he's a stranger to reality shows, we've seen how he acts in a BB house and there's nothing to suggest that anything has changed since then.

People are allowed to dislike him, Jack. They have grounds to do so.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A season of awfulness is enough to judge that he's going to be ****ing terrible. It's not like he's a stranger to reality shows, we've seen how he acts in a BB house and there's nothing to suggest that anything has changed since then.

People are allowed to dislike him, Jack. They have grounds to do so.

I'm talking more about the principle of judging housemates for things that have happened outside of the house before the series even begins (i.e. this goes beyond Frankie), given the premise it's a bigger problem on CBB but it renders the show pointless. We may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner

There's nothing to suggest he has stayed the same either, nobody knows him or has access to live feeds of his life so it's pointless conjecture. I accept people dislike him and may not want him to go in, my point is more about leaving preconceptions at the door once the series actually begins and judging him and all of them on a clean slate - which is the entire point of the programme

[Jason.]

What a repulsive line-up!

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm talking more about the principle of judging housemates for things that have happened outside of the house before the series even begins (i.e. this goes beyond Frankie), given the premise it's a bigger problem on CBB but it renders the show pointless. We may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner

There's nothing to suggest he has stayed the same either, nobody knows him or has access to live feeds of his life so it's pointless conjecture. I accept people dislike him and may not want him to go in, my point is more about leaving preconceptions at the door once the series actually begins and judging him and all of them on a clean slate - which is the entire point of the programme

I think it's because you use the word 'preconception' though.

Most people on here do not have preconceived opinions about Frankie because they watched him on a TV show for 88 days where there was live feed 24/7.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm talking more about the principle of judging housemates for things that have happened outside of the house before the series even begins (i.e. this goes beyond Frankie), given the premise it's a bigger problem on CBB but it renders the show pointless. We may as well just decide who's got the cleanest record now and crown them the winner

There's nothing to suggest he has stayed the same either, nobody knows him or has access to live feeds of his life so it's pointless conjecture. I accept people dislike him and may not want him to go in, my point is more about leaving preconceptions at the door once the series actually begins and judging him and all of them on a clean slate - which is the entire point of the programme

Would you be saying this for someone you consider 'boring' or who doesn't fit your definition of 'entertaining'? I don't think you would.

CBB relies on preconceptions, to compare it to Civilian BB is a bit ridiculous since the HMS in Civ BB aren't typically known anyway.

We've known how he acts in BB and we've stated out displeasure at the fact he's in. Deal with it.

[LukeB]

Sam Fox - Page 3 model
Marnie Simpson - Geordie Shore
Lewis Bloor - Towies
Stephen Bear - Ex On The Beach
Katie Waissel - X Factor reject
Christopher Biggins - Wanker
Renee Graziano - Mob Wives
Grant Bovey - Film Maker
Aubrey O'Day - Singer
Beth Chapman - Dog The Bounty Hunter star
Helen Lederer - Comedian
Frankie Grande - BBUSA Contestant
Chloe Khan - X Factor reject

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

I tihnk it's because you used the word 'preconception' though. Most people on here do not have preconceived opinions because they watched him on TV show for 88 days where there was live feed 24/7.

But in the context of the sentence I said the problem with CBB is that people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

I understand why people may not want him to go in, but if he actually does then that's that and people should judge him and the rest of them on a clean slate based on what they actually do inside the house as housemates, because that's the point of the show

[Black Dagger]

Aubrey, Helen and Katie. The rest can ****ing go home. Katie and Aubrey are early first boosts already. Helen won't get votes as well and is an easy nom. So this series can be cancelled.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why don't you wait to judge him on a clean slate, he might be different

This is the problem with CBB, for the most part people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

Youre not judging him on a clean slate though, youve made it clear how excited you are for his arrival when he, in your words, might be different.

Or does it only work one way

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But in the context of the sentence I said the problem with CBB is that people don't leave their preconceptions at the door

I understand why people may not want him to go in, but if he actually does then that's that and people should judge him and the rest of them on a clean slate based on what they actually do inside the house as housemates, because that's the point of the show

If you use that logic in the sense of liking a housemate before they enter an all-star season then it kind of seems a bit silly.

It's like someone saying 'I loved Jayne Connery on BB17, I can't wait to see her when she enters All-Stars', and then you saying 'well she might not be the same this time around so I think you should withold you 'preconception'. It doesn't make sense.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Would you be saying this for someone you consider 'boring' or who doesn't fit your definition of 'entertaining'? I don't think you would.

CBB relies on preconceptions, to compare it to Civilian BB is a bit ridiculous since the HMS in Civ BB aren't typically known anyway.

We've known how he acts in BB and we've stated out displeasure at the fact he's in. Deal with it.

Err...yes, because I don't term anyone 'boring' or 'entertaining' until well over a week in most of the time, and that's because you cannot judge them until you've watched them. There are plenty of celebrities I like and may want to take part but I'm not gonna blindly support them (or dislike them, conversely) based on what they've done outside the house because that's not the point of the show. If Chris Moyles or Ronnie O'Sullivan were dullards for example I'd be campaigning for them to be evicted like I would anyone else

Yes it relies on preconceptions before they enter, not during! That is precisely my point. I understand why people don't want him to be cast but if he actually is then people should judge him on a clean slate. If he's as 'awful' as before the fine, but in theory there is no reason why he can't act differently this time around - and that's what people should wait and see

Opposition to him entering makes sense, blindly hating him all series based on BB16 rather than the series he's actually taking part in doesn't. It makes the show pointless

As a side note things like this also occur on civilian, i.e Andrew being ejected for things that happened outside of the house

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

blindly hating him all series based on BB16 rather than the series he's actually taking part in doesn't. It makes the show pointless

Comepletely hypocritical considering youre doing the exact opposite.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Youre not judging him on a clean slate though, youve made it clear how excited you are for his arrival when he, in your words, might be different.

Or does it only work one way

Not true. I've made it clear how excited I am for him to enter because the meltdowns will be hilarious, and I said to Marc that I think he'd be a good housemate. That's a keyword: think. I didn't say he would be, and if it turns out he isn't I'll want him out in just the same way I would anyone else, because I am consistent

Please don't put words into my mouth

Originally Posted by Braden

If you use that logic in the sense of liking a housemate before they enter an all-star season then it kind of seems a bit silly.

It's like someone saying 'I loved Jayne Connery on BB17, I can't wait to see her when she enters All-Stars', and then you saying 'well she might not be the same this time around so I think you should withold you 'preconception'. It doesn't make sense.

Well firstly I'd say this isn't an All Stars season so it's a pointless comparison, but if it was the same sentiment would stand. There's no reason why a housemate would be exactly the same in two series

Take this season of BBUS for example, I didn't want to see Nicole or James again and opposed them entering but decided to judge them on a clean slate because it happened after all and that's the point of the show. As it happens I like James more than I did last year and Nicole even less than BB16. Different season, different circumstances

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Comepletely hypocritical considering youre doing the exact opposite.

No I am not, and you need to start reading people's posts more carefully before you start throwing baseless accusations around

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not true. I've made it clear how excited I am for him to enter because the meltdowns will be hilarious, and I said to Marc that I think he'd be a good housemate. That's a keyword: think. I didn't say he would be, and if it turns out he isn't I'll want him out in just the same way I would anyone else, because I am consistent

Please don't put words into my mouth



Well firstly I'd say this isn't an All Stars season so it's a pointless comparison, but if it was the same sentiment would stand. There's no reason why a housemate would be exactly the same in two series

Take this season of BBUS for example, I didn't want to see Nicole or James again and opposed them entering but decided to judge them on a clean slate because it happened after all and that's the point of the show. As it happens I like James more than I did last year and Nicole even less than BB16. Different season, different circumstances

Well there's no point reasoning with you because I've literally just said the opposite to what you're claiming, whether it's All Stars or not...It's people's opinions that are of the root of this debate.

[TomC]

Sounds extremely Z list! Don't mind too mcuh tho.

[reece(:]

Cancel it, this cast looks trash