[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

Great post

[sampvt]

Bi sexuality is used as a label to experience sex in all ways. It's very rarely used by a person who isn't sexually orientated.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Rob!

How about you ask any number of bisexual people (who there are plenty of on this site alone)? I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell you if they were harbouring some secret deeprooted issue of not being able to complete their sexuality journey.

6 pages in you would have thought they would have by now.

[ThriceShy]

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

This is what most of us seem to be doing, I don't think anyone's actually said he isn't entitled to his opinion... so I don't see the relevance of this post?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The bottom line is that biggins is entitled to his opinion. You can disagree with him and you can judge him for it, but he is entitled to it. BB isn't part of any safe space for special snowflakes.

I suspect people would like to see him get a warning from BB for daring to have that opinion. Thankfully that didn't happen.

Biggins is not attacking bisexual people or inciting hate towards them....he just doesn't believe that they are all honest and he's dead right, a lot of em aren't...I think his views are more about men than women ...it's rare a gay man suddenly becomes bisexual, it's usually straight ones who do....which shows the pressure society used to put men under to be a certain way and still does today to some extent ...Biggins comes from a time when bisexual men were mostly gay guys in the closet or in denial so I can understand why he holds on to his views about them.....he's not totally accurate in his generalisation of bisexuals but he's allowed his view point. My grandmother didn't like Germans and she had every right to her opinion because her experiences of them justified her prejudice. Biggins experience of bisexual men will be what's behind his assessment of them and that's a shame for him because things are different today but I understand why he thinks the way he does even if I don't agree with him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Biggins is not attacking bisexual people or inciting hate towards them....he just doesn't believe that they are all honest and he's dead right, a lot of em aren't...I think his views are more about men than women ...it's rare a gay man suddenly becomes bisexual, it's usually straight ones who do....which shows the pressure society used to put men under to be a certain way and still does today to some extent ...Biggins comes from a time when bisexual men were mostly gay guys in the closet or in denial so I can understand why he holds on to his views about them.....he's not totally accurate in his generalisation of bisexuals but he's allowed his view point. My grandmother didn't like Germans and she had every right to her opinion because her experiences of them justified her prejudice. Biggins experience of bisexual men will be what's behind his assessment of them and that's a shame for him because things are different today but I understand why he thinks the way he does even if I don't agree with him.

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

Of course it's silly....everything about him is silly....he's a silly old man....I don't like him....I just can understand why he may have that point of view....in a way I would struggle to understand if he was a young person ...I wouldn't defend him if I thought his prejudice had no reason behind it, he's the last person I would defend...as soon as he said it I asked myself why and I realised its because of the era he's from.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Of course it's silly....everything about him is silly....he's a silly old man....I don't like him....I just can understand why he may have that point of view....in a way I would struggle to understand if he was a young person ...I wouldn't defend him if I thought his prejudice had no reason behind it, he's the last person I would defend...as soon as he said it I asked myself why and I realised its because of the era he's from.

I can understand why he thinks that some men come out as bisexual before they come out as being gay, i get why he thinks that and have no doubt that happens sometimes (probably alot more in the past when he was younger) but to say that it's totally impossible for anyone to be Bisexual is just a bit illogical really, if you can be attracted to one or the other why couldn't a person be attracted to both?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can understand why he thinks that some men come out as bisexual before they come out as being gay, i get why he thinks that and have no doubt that happens sometimes (probably alot more in the past when he was younger) but to say that it's totally impossible for anyone to be Bisexual is just a bit illogical really, if you can be attracted to one or the other why couldn't a person be attracted to both?

It is illogical....It's intolerance but it comes from somewhere, it's not just mindless prejudice like racism....I think his views are formed because of a few reasons, none of which really exist today, which is why I think it's an age thing....I know when I was young bisexual was often thought of as another word for greedy it wasn't really taken serously like it is today and it wasn't part of everyday life. But mostly bisexuals High tailed it back into the closet when the AIDS epidemic came along and that's where a lot of stigma towards them comes from in the older gay community. They were bisexual when it suited them to be but not when the gay community needed them the most. Even today loads of guys call themselves straight but have sex with gay guys and that annoys people.

[hot2go]

I can't speak for bisexual women cause I have no exp of that plus I think women are attracted to people on a more emotional level and therefore more likely to be open about it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Biggins is a superstar in his own mind and very old fashioned to boot. He is confused with the Miriad of tags and titles hung on people these days. You are either gay or straight and that's where it ends for him. Bi sexual people just drag his theory down so he slaps it. His views and in a way he's right. If you are neither gay nor straight you must be confused and he probably views bi s as sickos looking for sex from what ever source is available and he isn't a sexually orientated gay. He's an old queen who wants gays to be viewed as the same as straights so he isn't far off point.

Not sexually oriented?

The number of times I've heard him blather on about blow jobs and it's only day 6.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It just seems a bit silly to believe that some people are attracted to the opposite sex and some people are attracted to the same sex but that it's completely impossible for some people to be attracted to both

This.

It would be kind of like saying you accept that one man has a penchant for blonde women and another man prefers brunettes but it's completely inconceivable for a man to be attracted to both. It's just ridiculous.

[lewis111]

It's not really an opinion though (sorry) but a false statement
Being against same sex marriage or something would be an opinion he would be entitled to, but he's just going around stating things that are false

[StephenPullen]

So he has a different opinion than you do. Does that mean he is a bad person? Get over yourself.

[lewis111]

1) never said he was a bad person
2) I never said anything that made me seem like I'm full of myself
3) ITS NOT AN OPINION it's like saying grass doesn't exist or females don't exist it's a false statement he made

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

1) never said he was a bad person
2) I never said anything that made me seem like I'm full of myself
3) ITS NOT AN OPINION it's like saying grass doesn't exist or females don't exist it's a false statement he made

He didn't say bisexuals don't exist. Why pretend he said something that he didn't say?

He said that he believes bisexuals have a different motive than they portray.

Just his opinion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He didn't say bisexuals don't exist. Why pretend he said something that he didn't say?

He said that he believes bisexuals have a different motive than they portray.

Just his opinion.

Yes, and by saying that he's implying bisexuality isn't a real thing ergo does not exist. Since they're being dishonest about it?

Maybe try understanding the so-called "opinion" you're defending?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, and by saying that he's implying bisexuality isn't a real thing ergo does not exist. Since they're being dishonest about it?

Maybe try understanding the so-called "opinion" you're defending?

He accepts they exist. He knows there are people having sex with both genders. He just thinks that they exist for a different reason than you think they exist.

Do you believe he isn't entitled to that opinion?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He accepts they exist. He knows there are people having sex with both genders. He just thinks that they exist for a different reason than you think they exist.

Do you believe he isn't entitled to that opinion?

It isn't an opinion though!!!!!!!! He's stating that bisexuals are all hiding from a desire to just sleep with the one gender which isn't what bisexual means!
He didn't say "I think that bisexuals are just afraid of being gay." He stated it as a fact. A fact which is completely and utterly wrong.

[Ammi]

..I always think it's strange that it only seems to be prejudiced/bigoted views etc that seem to be held onto from 'back in the day'...with people who seem very 'modern' in their lives in every other way...Biggins is in his 60s or whatever age he is and apparently he can make such a generalised ignorant statement on a reality TV show and yet he's never had conversations/thoughts etc about bi-sexuality before..?..in all of these years, he hasn't once re-assessed his opinion and mind-set on this with the people around him..?..and in a showbiz world as well, where he surely must know and have met bi-sexual people..?...there have been no conversations that have taken place, no questioning, no 'educating' of the old Biggins..?..so the poor old chap finds himself on a reality show in his 60s or whatever age he is and poor old fellow makes such an ignorant statement that we're all discussing...?....hmmm, that's just really difficult to believe that he's expressed his own sexuality so much through his life and it's so much a part of him and yet there seems to have been an avoidance etc of discussion and realisation of bi-sexuality....hmmmm....

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I always think it's strange that it only seems to be prejudiced/bigoted views etc that seem to be held onto from 'back in the day'...with people who seem very 'modern' in their lives in every other way...Biggins is in his 60s or whatever age he is and apparently he can make such a generalised ignorant statement on a reality TV show and yet he's never had conversations/thoughts etc about bi-sexuality before..?..in all of these years, he hasn't once re-assessed his opinion and mind-set on this with the people around him..?..and in a showbiz world as well, where he surely must know and have met bi-sexual people..?...there have been no conversations that have taken place, no questioning, no 'educating' of the old Biggins..?..so the poor old chap finds himself on a reality show in his 60s or whatever age he is and poor old fellow makes such an ignorant statement that we're all discussing...?....hmmm, that's just really difficult to believe that he's expressed his own sexuality so much through his life and it's so much a part of him and yet there seems to have been an avoidance etc of discussion and realisation of bi-sexuality....hmmmm....

until you have lived your life in that persons shoes, I think its difficult to assess where he is coming from. Its the easiest thing in the world to take a comment and over analyse it. I've never really liked Biggins, but I do think he is being judged harshly here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

until you have lived your life in that persons shoes, I think its difficult to assess where he is coming from. Its the easiest thing in the world to take a comment and over analyse it. I've never really liked Biggins, but I do think he is being judged harshly here.

..and quite careless and non-thinking to throw out a comment in the way he did with no clarification at all because he of all people and for the very reason of his age will know and have experienced so many prejudices and lack of understanding..'ignorance' himself so will know the importance of making it perfectly clear that 'he himself in his whole life has never experienced..but that's only his personal experiences..'..?...but still though with that, he has closed his mind to a sexuality and for that he will be judged as he has judged...

[Semtex]

Are Bisexual Men allowed to be Drama Kings?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and quite careless and non-thinking to throw out a comment in the way he did with no clarification at all because he of all people and for the very reason of his age will know and have experienced so many prejudices and lack of understanding..'ignorance' himself so will know the importance of making it perfectly clear that 'he himself in his whole life has never experienced..but that's only his personal experiences..'..?...but still though with that, he has closed his mind to a sexuality and for that he will be judged as he has judged...

In fairness he might have qualified it, but it was edited out to create a talking point. I'm not a Biggins fan but I feel ythere might have been a bit more to the conversation.