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Reports that the Lib Dems may have won the seat by ~2000 votes
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Goldsmith resigns in a grand stand against Heathrow but ends up losing his seat over the fact he voted Leave rather than anything to do with airport expansion

He'll be feeling a bit sick right now
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He'll be feeling a bit sick right now
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Delighted, this is karma (if you will) for that abhorrent dog whistle mayoral campaign he ran

Caroline Lucas made the right call
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can the Lib Dems come back properly pls
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Delighted, this is karma (if you will) for that abhorrent dog whistle mayoral campaign he ran

Caroline Lucas made the right call

Yes No protest Green Vote
Just Protest LibDem vote


All this week Zac
had said its close.

But the dumb polls said he was ahead.
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Shows how wrong the polling is still at present and I believe they are a fair bit wrong in the National polls too.

However, firstly,I am sorry for Zac,yes he is highly privileged but he has been a conviction politician as an MP, apart from as Jack said, his truly awful Mayoral campaign.
He is someone I have a lot of respect for however.

It also has to be remembered, this is not really Labour territory at all, this even in Tony Blair's 2 landslide election wins, went Liberal Democrat and was so until 2010.
The Lib Dems need to take on board, a good amount of likely Labour voters voted for them here and and respect that too.

They, the Lib Dems, made this by election really more about the EU and they have come through.
If they can now build on this and eat their way again into the Southern bastion of seats that are held by Conservatives in the South again,thereby breaking the Conservative monopoly of the area as an almost one party state area now.
Then that will make for some interesting and much better politics in the future

This result effectively takes Theresa May's, on paper, overall majority down to 10 now,if she had to tread carefully before, she has to even more now after this.

I personally thought the Lib Dems had a chance to do really well but didn't believe they would or could win it.
So really well done to them, for me, anything that makes political life harder for this hardline rotten govt. is going to be fine by me.

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[Show's how wrong the polling is still at present and I believe they are a fair bit wrong in the National polls too.]

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Would never trust the liberals as far as I could throw them, but it's heartening to see that other parts of the country haven't been swept up in the neo-Nazi pro-leave populism. It's also doubly nice to see posho racist Goldsmith get ****ed over.

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that lib dem twit on radio 2 saying it was this and that

It was Richmond ffs

Its representative of no where
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Would never trust the liberals as far as I could throw them, but it's heartening to see that other parts of the country haven't been swept up in the neo-Nazi pro-leave populism. It's also doubly nice to see posho racist Goldsmith get ****ed over.

Small victories. Small victories...

To be fair she is not a real LibDem person
she only joined last year or so.

She is a mother Against Brexit and the Runway
will she last
we will find out?


Pure Protest vote
Zac said this could happen last week on LBC Live

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that lib dem twit on radio 2 saying it was this and that

It was Richmond ffs

Its representative of no where

Lil Tim F.
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BBC2HD midday on record
he was TOLD OFF for being a FECKING PARROT


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I bet MTVN watched it , by now

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Shows how wrong the polling is still at present and I believe they are a fair bit wrong in the National polls too.

However, firstly,I am sorry for Zac,yes he is highly privileged but he has been a conviction politician as an MP, apart from as Jack said, his truly awful Mayoral campaign.
He is someone I have a lot of respect for however.

It also has to be remembered, this is not really Labour territory at all, this even in Tony Blair's 2 landslide election wins, went Liberal Democrat and was so until 2010.
The Lib Dems need to take on board, a good amount of likely Labour voters voted for them here and and respect that too.

They, the Lib Dems, made this by election really more about the EU and they have come through.
If they can now build on this and eat their way again into the Southern bastion of seats that are held by Conservatives in the South again,thereby breaking the Conservative monopoly of the area as an almost one party state area now.
Then that will make for some interesting and much better politics in the future

This result effectively takes Theresa May's, on paper, overall majority down to 10 now,if she had to tread carefully before, she has to even more now after this.

I personally thought the Lib Dems had a chance to do really well but didn't believe they would or could win it.
So really well done to them, for me, anything that makes political life harder for this hardline rotten govt. is going to be fine by me.
17.4 million voted out in a democratic vote - this will not change that.

What's actually pretty rotten is to desperately try to ignore/overturn/interfere with a majority public vote. Talk about sore losers - those who only respect a democratic vote when it goes their way.
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I bet MTVN watched it , by now
I did feel Tim Farron did quite well really, I couldn't see the point of the hostile approach on talking to him about an extraordinary by-election win.

I find it astonishing that while Zac was standing his ground when he resigned here and stood as an Independent, that the Conservatives put no candidate up who was presenting the new runway case.
All the candidates were against the new runway proposal.

The Lib Dems have along with the bulk of the Conservative party until the 90s, been the strongest advocates always as to the EU.
The Labour party as you know,have alwys had a strong eurosceptic element in theirs.

So the Lib Dems I feel did win this largely on their very clear stand on the EU and they make no secret of it, they would fight to stay in, if they felt they had a chance to bring that about.

Just under 17.5 million voted to leave, what keeps being avoided is that also just over 16 million voted to stay.
Public opinion is very fickle and on close figures like that, can change in an instant.

There are opinions that now near 6 months on,rightly or wrongly, the mood has changed, and people would vote differently now and /or want more say in the process or final deal.

The next by-election will be interesting to watch,if the Lib Dems stay true to their form, they will fight that on the same stance.
Sleeford voted strongly to leave,lets see what happens to the Lib Dem vote there in an all main party contest.
Particularly. let's see what happens to the UKIP vote too there.

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"The next by-election will be interesting to watch,if the Lib Dems stay true to their form, they will fight that on the same stance."

Maybe - but Up North
LibDems are HATED
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"The next by-election will be interesting to watch,if the Lib Dems stay true to their form, they will fight that on the same stance."

Maybe - but Up North
LibDems are HATED
I agree with you, however although I trust the Lib Dems with very little myself now after their time in coalition.

What they can do is take the Conservatives on in the South which it seems no other party is capable of, certainly not UKIP who failed miserably in that in May 2015.

So for me a Lib Dem resurgence of any size in the far South is good news and that alone can remove the overall status of the Conservative party as to being in full power alone.
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