[Jamie89]

I haven't seen Helen's series but based on BB16 I'd say she's worse than Bear. Although the real answer is Danielle Lloyd imo

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by TomC

I like Helen but it's undeniable Jale was bullied by Helen's group

Exactly. She was truly awful and gross towards people

[Jordan.]

Bear. Helen was more defensively nasty where as Bear did it intentionally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Bully is bandied about so often on this site that it has lost all sense of meaning. I would love to know who Bear actually bullied...he was an annoying twat yes, but bully? Nope.

You miss out the likes of Conor and Jade who are actually proven bullies.
Its a bit of a joke. Bully apparently now just means 'anyone who I dislike' or 'someone who argues with a housemate I like' to many. Case in point...people claiming Nicola is a bully, or Kim.

Helen was a bully though, especially towards Jale and to Christopher too, giving them demeaning nicknames, leaving the room when she walked in and making sure her pack followed and making sure Jale knew they were leaving to get away from her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Bear. Helen was more defensively nasty where as Bear did it intentionally.

She bullied Jale for no apparent reason, Jale did nothing to her

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She bullied Jale for no apparent reason, Jale did nothing to her

I really disliked Helen at that point,but the show went on I got to like her more,she is the only ever housemate I started off disliking and then supporting her,it was weird but I really like her now.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Neither are bullies tbqh. Loathe Bear though.

Woo Woo is just misunderstood (see: charitable LEGEND claiming Kilimanjaro for charity).

Actually BB16 confirmed that I understood her all along!

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I haven't seen Helen's series but based on BB16 I'd say she's worse than Bear. Although the real answer is Danielle Lloyd imo

She was the worst.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really disliked Helen at that point,but the show went on I got to like her more,she is the only ever housemate I started off disliking and then supporting her,it was weird but I really like her now.

My opinion never changed of her but It's good to hear a fan of hers actually admit that she did bully Jale

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My opinion never changed of her but It's good to hear a fan of hers actually admit that she did bully Jale

I saw a vunerability in Helen she wasn't as confident as she made out,I hated how she was with Jale, but I was pleased that she actually saw what she had done and apologised ,it's funny how we all see people differently,I think with Helen she wasn't afraid to say sorry where as someone like Nicola/Ashliene etc were always so hard faced.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I saw a vunerability in Helen she wasn't as confident as she made out,I hated how she was with Jale, but I was pleased that she actually saw what she had done and apologised ,it's funny how we all see people differently,I think with Helen she wasn't afraid to say sorry where as someone like Nicola/Ashliene etc were always so hard faced.

That's fair enough, I never saw Aisleynes series but I agree with you about Nicola

[andybigbro]

Both

[y.winter]

Helen is a sad story, but I find Bear being a disgusting passive-aggressive bully, and it makes my skin crawl.

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I haven't seen Helen's series but based on BB16 I'd say she's worse than Bear. Although the real answer is Danielle Lloyd imo

I still can't understand how Danielle got away with it when Jo and Jade were crucified by the public. She had one of the most disgusting comments in that series.

[Epic.]

@Bear not being called a bully

Guys, Bear WAS a bully. He intentionally made the lives of almost an entire house miserable for nearly a month. But because he was "BANTAA" he wasn't portrayed negatively enough, despite being the most skin crawling housemate I've ever witnessed. He made Renee cry about 5 or 6 times, never held himself accountable for ANYTHING, wasted precious food for everyone, threw glass, dropped equipment, goaded every single person who wasn't one of his mindless sheep into an argument with him, and he was also the kind of bully where there is literally NO way of defeating him. Argue back insults at him? "Ooh, somewans getteeng very ungry!" Ignore him? "Do u wont some tea o' coffee, Renai! No? No?" Nobody could stan in the twat's way, giving him a pedestal nearly all the time to mistreat and goad people. THAT'S what a bully is