Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-04-2017, 02:02 PM #1
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
Default Nottingham missing mother Samantha Baldwin 'poses risk' to young sons

http://news.sky.com/story/nottingham...-sons-10820227

her 2 sons
are 6 and 9 years old.


[On Monday, Nottingham Family Court
ordered the two boys be removed
from the care of their mother.]


I can see why
the mother has gone off with her sons

Last edited by arista; 01-04-2017 at 02:04 PM.
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 02:21 PM #2
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

I'd need more information to make a comment on this really. The courts / social services legitimately don't always get these things right, and if they tried to take my kids away based on an incorrect decision, you can bet your arse I would disappear with them too.
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 02:27 PM #3
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
Default

Yes TS
but they case stays secret
in national press
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 05:30 PM #4
Brillopad Brillopad is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 6,121
Brillopad Brillopad is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 6,121
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arista View Post
Yes TS
but they case stays secret
in national press
Such secrecy allows such institutions to get away with over-zealous behaviour. Social Services are often guilty of PC gone mad.
Brillopad is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:12 PM #5
DemolitionRed's Avatar
DemolitionRed DemolitionRed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,182
DemolitionRed DemolitionRed is offline
Senior Member
DemolitionRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,182
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brillopad View Post
Such secrecy allows such institutions to get away with over-zealous behaviour. Social Services are often guilty of PC gone mad.
Now there's a discussion!
__________________
No longer on this site.
DemolitionRed is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-04-2017, 07:14 PM #6
DemolitionRed's Avatar
DemolitionRed DemolitionRed is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,182
DemolitionRed DemolitionRed is offline
Senior Member
DemolitionRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 6,182
Default

Social Services often get things wrong but then Social Services are understaffed and overworked.
__________________
No longer on this site.
DemolitionRed is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 05:43 AM #7
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brillopad View Post
Such secrecy allows such institutions to get away with over-zealous behaviour. Social Services are often guilty of PC gone mad.
What does this even mean?

The family courts are PC gone mad?... Can you back up your references for this buzzword/nonsense phrase.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 07:56 AM #8
Cherie's Avatar
Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,434

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
Cherie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,434

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Default

The problem with social services is they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, we don't know the story here so can't really say if it's the right decision or not
Cherie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 08:23 AM #9
Brillopad Brillopad is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 6,121
Brillopad Brillopad is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 6,121
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
What does this even mean?

The family courts are PC gone mad?... Can you back up your references for this buzzword/nonsense phrase.
A prime example is when social services leave black and mixed race chilren languishing in children's homes saying they should only be placed with black/mixed race families. Children suffered unnecessarily due to this PC Nonsence.

Last edited by Brillopad; 02-04-2017 at 08:28 AM.
Brillopad is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 02:33 PM #10
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brillopad View Post
A prime example is when social services leave black and mixed race chilren languishing in children's homes saying they should only be placed with black/mixed race families. Children suffered unnecessarily due to this PC Nonsence.
They shouldn't only be placed within their respective cultures, that's not a policy however it is preferable from the perspective of the child. It's not nonsense for them to have a shared racial/cultural history with their prospective parent is it?

The 'all you need is love' is quite a one dimensional view, on a deeper level we need to be aware of our racial/cultural roots.
I'm not saying white parents could not provide this for a Black/Aisian/mixed race child, ( or visa versa) but I'd say they should be aware of the need.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 07:28 AM #11
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 165,061
Default

SkyNewsHD just reported the mother and kids
have been found well.

http://news.sky.com/story/missing-mo...louis-10827046

Last edited by arista; 06-04-2017 at 07:39 AM.
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 09:10 AM #12
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
I'd need more information to make a comment on this really. The courts / social services legitimately don't always get these things right, and if they tried to take my kids away based on an incorrect decision, you can bet your arse I would disappear with them too.
Over here in order for social services to take kids away from their mother it would have to be a pretty severe situation they're in with alot of proof which sometimes is also a bad thing
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 09:11 AM #13
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brillopad View Post
A prime example is when social services leave black and mixed race chilren languishing in children's homes saying they should only be placed with black/mixed race families. Children suffered unnecessarily due to this PC Nonsence.
Does that actually happen?
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 11:01 AM #14
Withano's Avatar
Withano Withano is offline
Withano
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,727

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cameron
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


Withano Withano is offline
Withano
Withano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,727

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cameron
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
Does that actually happen?
No. interracial adoption was uncommon before 2014, because consideration was given to race, religion, language, and culture, but there are legislations in place against that now (although the families adopting this way are expected to put in extra work to counteract these issues, which I guess might make it more unappealing).
__________________
Withano is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 11:15 AM #15
Northern Monkey Northern Monkey is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 13,269

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Tom


Northern Monkey Northern Monkey is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 13,269

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Tom


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Withano View Post
No. interracial adoption was uncommon before 2014, because consideration was given to race, religion, language, and culture, but there are legislations in place against that now (although the families adopting this way are expected to put in extra work to counteract these issues, which I guess might make it more unappealing).
Yeah i know a foster mum who looks after black and white kids.Must be legal now.

Edit:Although i'm not sure if same rules applied for fostering and adopting.

Last edited by Northern Monkey; 06-04-2017 at 11:16 AM.
Northern Monkey is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2017, 11:16 AM #16
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Withano View Post
No. interracial adoption was uncommon before 2014, because consideration was given to race, religion, language, and culture, but there are legislations in place against that now (although the families adopting this way are expected to put in extra work to counteract these issues, which I guess might make it more unappealing).
That's good to hear, would be crazy to think a child would be denied a home because of a race issue
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 11:04 AM #17
Cherie's Avatar
Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,434

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
Cherie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,434

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Default

This is so sad, the boys are in care now, looks like parents blaming each other although in this case not sure why the Dad doesn't have custody given the Judge doesn't believe the wifes claims against him




A mother who is accused of abducting her two children had been giving them drugs and made a false abuse allegation against their father, a judge has revealed.*
Samantha Baldwin was arrested last week after being found with the boys at a holiday park following a nationwide search.
Judge Jeremy Lea issued a statement on Monday saying that he had heard evidence on the allegations against the father by Baldwin and had concluded that they were false.
"In my judgment I found that the father had not perpetrated sexual, physical or emotional abuse against the boys as alleged by the mother, or at all and that the allegations made by the mother were false," he said.
"I also found that the mother genuinely believed that he had done so, but that her belief was irrational and that the evidence of abuse was unreliable."
The judge said she had also given the drugs benzodiazepine and zolpidem - both sedatives - as part of her efforts to prove her case against the father.
"This began as a private family case between a mother and father. They had separated. They had been in dispute over the amount of time that their two boys should spend with the father," the judge said.
He added that he was releasing details of the allegations and his judgment as the children "need to be protected from much of what has been inaccurately reported about their parents and about what has happened to them".
The two boys are currently being cared for by the local authority.
Cherie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 11:06 AM #18
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,137

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

It's ridiculous that he hasn't been given custody Cherie
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 11:07 AM #19
Vanessa's Avatar
Vanessa Vanessa is offline
The Italian Job
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: London
Posts: 104,583

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Yinrun
CBB18: Christopher Biggins


Vanessa Vanessa is offline
The Italian Job
Vanessa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: London
Posts: 104,583

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Yinrun
CBB18: Christopher Biggins


Default

This is terrible. Those poor boys
__________________
Vanessa is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
baldwin, missing, mother, nottingham, poses, risk, samantha, sons, young

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:01 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts