[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Sophia.

He's trying to get on Raphs good side

Trying to be his Knight in shining harmor

[Jedman]

To be fair I think Andrew was just sticking up for Raph, that's all it was.

I think he took it too far, bu I think it's too early to judge him.

[LeatherTrumpet]

andrew thought he was a hero standing up to joe but sadly for him he just shone the mirror back on his cowardly, needy personality. He abused Joe, many years his senior, in a pathetic attempt to make raph like him

how someone can be so condescending and horrible to a fellow man for self gain is truly vile.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jedman

To be fair I think Andrew was just sticking up for Raph, that's all it was.

I think he took it too far, bu I think it's too early to judge him.

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

[Jedman]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

True we havent seen raph once have an argument.

He looked pretty uncomfortable when it was going on.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jedman

True we havent seen raph once have an argument.

He looked pretty uncomfortable when it was going on.

If Andrew wants to woo Raph he will have to think about something else

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But if someone else had said that Joe wouldn't have a problem with it. It was only because Raph said it.

Yes but thats because Raph had already had a go at Joe numerous times about him wanting to be there just for the money. Why else would Raph say it if not to get at Joe? Raph is smart theres no way he didn't know that would upset Ioe.

[azi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He definitely wants to impress Raph. But if he watched the show he should know Raph does not ike conflict.

I' pretty sure Raph said "I like it" when Sue said something about Andrew being fiery.

And Raph might not like to conflict but he does like other people fighting

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yes but thats because Raph had already had a go at Joe numerous times about him wanting to be there just for the money. Why else would Raph say it if not to get at Joe? Raph is smart theres no way he didn't know that would upset Ioe.

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

I feel like Joe's was more of a "see wanting the money is not a terrible thing". So Joe was more concerned about defending himself while Raph was more concerned with making joe look bad.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I feel like Joe's was more of a "see wanting the money is not a terrible thing". So Joe was more concerned about defending himself while Raph was more concerned with making joe look bad.

It was a **** you to Raph saying that about him in his nomination. I can understand why raph bit back because Joe has been giving him a hard time since he saw the nomination but all the other people who nominated him he's been as nice as pie to

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Whilst I think you're correct about that, i also think that the only reason why Joe got up and started clapping and making a big deal of what Deborah said was to have a dig at Raph because of what he'd said about Joe in his nomination, Raph knew that's what he was doing and that's why he said what he did afterwards

Well yes. Raph made out like it was terrible to be there for the money, and then his mate admitted she would swipe the prize fund and leave if offered. I think Joe was probably glad that someone else had been honest about it rather than making out that they dont care about the money or winning and are only there for the experience. Like Tom claiming he would not even chose to evict someone and he would leave himself for gods sake...they are lying bastards and I think Joe was glad that Deb said that, hence the show about it to kind of say to raph 'see, your mates are here for money too' Just a big mess. I don;t understand why every year hosuemates lie and make out like its a bad thing to want to win. They are all inthere to win

[Vanessa]

I liked Andrew until that last clip I saw. Well out of order.

[Fosse]

Andrew seems to me that he hasn't had a good wash in weeks...and all those baggy clothes don't suit him.

[Paula D]

He just says too many words!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes. Raph made out like it was terrible to be there for the money, and then his mate admitted she would swipe the prize fund and leave if offered. I think Joe was probably glad that someone else had been honest about it rather than making out that they dont care about the money or winning and are only there for the experience. Like Tom claiming he would not even chose to evict someone and he would leave himself for gods sake...they are lying bastards and I think Joe was glad that Deb said that, hence the show about it to kind of say to raph 'see, your mates are here for money too' Just a big mess. I don;t understand why every year hosuemates lie and make out like its a bad thing to want to win. They are all inthere to win

I get that but Joe still started the "digs" whether he was right or wrong, he did what he did to have a dig at Raph so he only has himself to blame if he gets s**t back

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I get that but Joe still started the "digs" whether he was right or wrong, he did what he did to have a dig at Raph so he only has himself to blame if he gets s**t back

Oh indeed. I don;t blame raph for saying anything tbh. I just dislike how Andrew inserted himself firmly up raphs backside for no reason and made himself out to be a hero and was like a dog with a bone with baiting Joe outside, then lapped up all of the attention for his 'good deed'. Andrew makes my skin crawl for some reason...

[sungrass]

andrew = air time

[y.winter]

Andrew is great. Love him. He's doing nothing wrong imo

[Jase.]

He's SO clearly trying to stick up for Raph/start a showmance with him because he knows he's so popular with the public. It's so embarrassing to watch.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

He's SO clearly trying to stick up for Raph/start a showmance with him because he knows he's so popular with the public. It's so embarrassing to watch.

But Raph is not interested. He needs to respect that.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Raph is not interested. He needs to respect that.

I don't think he will respect that tho which is going to make for some extremely awkward/uncomfortable viewing

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

I don't think he will respect that tho which is going to make for some extremely awkward/uncomfortable viewing

He's giving me Craig vibes

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He's giving me Craig vibes

Craig was iconic tho. Andrew's just...ugh.

[MrWong]

He tried to have an Isy v Lotan moment that was no where near as iconic.

Plus trying to impress Raph.