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13-08-2017, 04:15 PM | #51 | |||
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You are assuming, once again, that people voted based solely on the campaign. The reality is that not everyone votes based on campaigns. For instance there are people who will vote Labour or Tory every time regardless so the campaign at each election means very little to them. Your simple knowledge of the public as a whole is some sort of telepathy skills? Hypocrasy accusations? Pot, kettle. Don't keep replying Dezzy, I have better things to do with my time.
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13-08-2017, 04:52 PM | #52 | ||
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13-08-2017, 05:00 PM | #53 | ||
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13-08-2017, 09:30 PM | #54 | ||
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To think that the majority of voters didn't vote based on the campaign is foolishness. It's one regard in which the election and the Referendum are different because some people will typically always vote for their preferred parties but there was no historic precedent when it came to the referendum. Most parties were divided over it. Again you can deny it all you want but immigration and the NHS lie WAS the centrepiece of the whole Leave campaign and it was what swayed the public in the favour of Leave when Remain had the poll numbers for months leading up to the vote. You can make all the low jibes you want to hide the fact that you can't argue against what I'm saying but it won't make what I'm saying any less true. A majority of voters, like always, did not understand what they were voting for. Scream and rage all you want, it doesn't change that. |
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13-08-2017, 09:31 PM | #55 | ||
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13-08-2017, 09:35 PM | #56 | ||
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I stated my opinion and it was Jaxie that couldn't handle it and you backed her up. Everything you accuse me off, you are guilty of and more but you lack the self awareness to see it. I stated my opinion that the public were largely ignorant and you and Jaxie went on the attack since you couldn't handle my opinion because you try to shut down any opinion that's different from your own. |
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13-08-2017, 10:26 PM | #57 | |||
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Why is LSE giving promos to buzzfeed not the financial times or another broadsheet?
Curiouser and curiouser... :/
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13-08-2017, 10:43 PM | #58 | ||
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There was only 3000 people involved in this too which really isn't enough to come to any clear conclusion, especially when we don't know who the people were and how they came to take part in this. The fact that leavers are so terrified of any possibility of another referendum says a lot about how the first result was obtained. They just use the old ''not respecting democracy blah'' line when, if they were really interested in real democracy then they'd welcome avote now that people are at least slightly more aware of the facts, or at least those whopping lies used to convince many of the need to leave the EU have been well and truly debunked. We can also back out of Brexit at any point before it's been completed, which will be years.............if it even happens at all. |
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14-08-2017, 04:25 AM | #59 | ||
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Maybe from now on we should all call for a second vote every time we elect a new priminister if we don't like the result. Or maybe a third would be fairer - best of three and all that. Why stop there - we could just keep demanding repeat votes to kingdom come until we get our own way, but then the other side would demand another ... You are living in cloud cuckoo land - it won't happen. There would be a public uproar not to mention the future implications for public votes. We were informed - if you and whoever else didn't bother to listen - lesson learned which is clearly a bitter pill to swallow. Speaking of buying into lies - the subject of clearing student debt comes to mind - you know those ones that did get all those youngsters, who didn't bother to vote in the referendum, to finally listen. Too little too late. Last edited by Brillopad; 14-08-2017 at 04:44 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 04:45 AM | #60 | ||
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This is SUCH an important subject where people were at best poorly informed and, at worst, repeatedly lied to on key issues that helped them decide how they were going to vote. Once this has happened there'll be no going back on it so, in the true spirit of democracy, why would you have a problem with a better informed UK population making sure they are doing the right thing before taking such a MASSIVE step that, if it doesn't go well, could destroy our economy completely ? Why wouldn't you want to be sure and give people the chance, now that they know that some major selling points used by the leave side were nothing more than lies made up to make their case look stronger ? Denying people that opportunity would be completely un-democratic. Or would you rather go with a result that could have come about through dishonest means just because those lies got you the result you wanted ? Last edited by JTM45; 14-08-2017 at 04:46 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 04:58 AM | #61 | ||
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Those 'lies' had nothing to do with my vote. Most probably made up their minds long before. You are making a lot of assumptions out of desperation. Last edited by Brillopad; 14-08-2017 at 05:02 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 05:08 AM | #62 | ||
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I know people who voted leave because of the lies spread by the leave campaign that £350 million a week would go directly into the NHS instead of to the EU. You do realize that at any point up until Brexit is completed we can change our minds do you ? It's part of the terms and there's a very good chance, with the increasing uncertainty and nervousness that's building, that Brexit won't even happen. Don't you care about the economy of our Country ? I have nothingto personally gain by Brexit not happening but i don't want to see our Country ruined. Last edited by JTM45; 14-08-2017 at 05:10 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 05:20 AM | #63 | ||
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14-08-2017, 05:24 AM | #64 | ||
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14-08-2017, 05:29 AM | #65 | ||
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The negative views are not proven facts - they are opinions depending on who has to gain from what. Self-interest is always top of the priorities of many. Last edited by Brillopad; 14-08-2017 at 05:30 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 05:36 AM | #66 | ||
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14-08-2017, 06:37 AM | #67 | |||
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Eventually you'll see the world isn't going to end when we leave the EU. You are the one who doesn't understand democracy. It is the rule of majority, in this case the majority who voted leave. It isn't the rule of let's keep voting until I get my way. That's dictatorship.
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14-08-2017, 07:21 AM | #68 | ||
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The ''fantasy based on hot air'' was that we'd save £350 million a week that would go directly back into the NHS when we left the EU. It was actually a full-on lie!
Democracy is NOT ''the rule of majority''. Talk about 'the blind leading the blind'. Democracy; a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. You just want to grasp onto a referedum result that was gained by the use of lies and ignorance. If you didn't you'd have no problem with people voting now that they are better informed on the possible detrimental consequences of leaving the EU and now that they know that lies were used by the leave campaign which has been admitted. Last edited by JTM45; 14-08-2017 at 07:24 AM. |
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14-08-2017, 07:30 AM | #69 | |||
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A gentle reminder to those moaning about ‘democracy’. In this year’s GE the Tories not only lost their majority, but the British people also rejected their Hard Brexit.
When people voted yay or neigh for Brexit, they weren’t asked to vote on a ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ Brexit. A simple ‘stay’ or ‘leave’ sufficed and that’s why people who voted out have every right to be ****ing annoyed. Here's yet another example, if any were needed, showing how Brexit aka The Government is falling apart. To all those hardline Brexiteers determined to see as much damage done to the British economy as possible. Get a grip and start reminding yourself, this is not a fcuking pantomime.
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14-08-2017, 12:19 PM | #71 | ||
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Of course you won't as you only target those whose views you disagree with despite others making the same comments. |
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14-08-2017, 12:24 PM | #72 | |||
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The truth is that we haven't left the EU yet so all the above gloom and doom are just assumptions about what might happen when we do leave. None of it is fact. Those opposed to leaving keep harping on about the claims over money saved from the EU and yet we are not at that stage of leaving yet so how they can possibly know what any cash saved will be spent on? There is as much truth in complaining about it not happening as there is in the claim in the first place. Just the same as fear mongering about the demise of the economy when there aren't any factual signs it will happen.
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14-08-2017, 12:30 PM | #74 | |||
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Has brexit suggested closed borders, no spending or low taxes?... no :/
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14-08-2017, 12:32 PM | #75 | |||
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I don't vote Tory and I couldn't give a stuff about the government losing it's majority. They led a crap campaign it backfired on them. Labour on the other hand led a surprisingly good campaign. The Tories probably won't last very long without a leader change and another election. Don't fool yourself it was a rejection of Brexit, it was far more a rejection of the manifesto. Had there been a genuine rejection of Brexit the lib dems would be in power. I have no idea why you are trying to pretend Brexit and the government are the same thing. Even that idiot Corbyn supports Brexit.
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