[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Al-Baghdadi has far less chance of negatively impacting our lives than Drumpf but he'll probably hold his position for longer so all in all they'd probably hold an equal spot on my personal scale of disdain.

I'd agree with that to be fair.

As much of a narcissistic sociopath as Trump is, ISIS leaders are more truly hateful by nature, and therefore theoretically more deserving of disdain. On the other hand, Trump has far more power, both political and literal firepower, and therefore is FAR more dangerous than any ISIS leader. So it's a tough call. ISIS leaders are scarier on an individual level, Trump is far scarier in political context.

[Alf]

Say something positive about Trump, when he deserves it, and you wont sound so partisan, and sound more like a free thinker.


He's donating $1 million dollars of his own money to Harvey victims, he didn't have to do that if he didn't want to. Hillary Clinton will probably be profiting from the disaster through her foundation.

Now isn't that a great thing to do? give him some praise for this.

[JTM45]

Agreed TS. It's one of those 6 of one, half a dozen of the other situations.
Trump's just far less direct and open with his foulness.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

Say something positive about Trump, when he deserves it, and you wont sound so partisan, and sound more like a free thinker.


He's donating $1 million dollars of his own money to Harvey victims, he didn't have to do that if he didn't want to. Hillary Clinton will probably be profiting from the disaster through her foundation.

Now isn't that a great thing to do? give him some praise for this.

Oh thank you for handing me this cherry!

Trump 'has said' he'll donate a million dollars to the Harvey victims but still hasn't done so.
When his Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked about why he still hasn't made his reported 'donation' she claimed that he's still having trouble making his supposed million dollar donation to Hurricane Harvey relief because the media hasn’t yet told him which charity to give it to. Really.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Al-Baghdadi has far less chance of negatively impacting our lives than Drumpf but he'll probably hold his position for longer so all in all they'd probably hold an equal spot on my personal scale of disdain.

Drumpf? Do you refer to Chelsea Manning as Bradley?

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Drumpf? Do you refer to Chelsea Manning as Bradley?

I don't have a problem with Chelsea Manning. She, unlike Drumpf, is an admirable person. Easy enough for you ?
Why you picking on Chelsea anyway ?

Could this thread go any further off-topic ? (yeah, yeah.........i know i'm as guilty as anyone on that one)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I don't have a problem with Chelsea Manning. She, unlike Drumpf, is an admirable person. Easy enough for you ?
Why you picking on Chelsea anyway ?

Just a random example of someone else it would be extremely petty to use the wrong name for

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Just a random example of someone else it would be extremely petty to use the wrong name for

Trump & Petty go hand in hand.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

Say something positive about Trump, when he deserves it, and you wont sound so partisan, and sound more like a free thinker.


He's donating $1 million dollars of his own money to Harvey victims, he didn't have to do that if he didn't want to. Hillary Clinton will probably be profiting from the disaster through her foundation.

Now isn't that a great thing to do? give him some praise for this.

Err but the best you can say is, it's better than nothing? We could all donate a million dollars to charity if we were multi-millionaires... How benevolent it makes him depends entirely on whether or not that is actually a significant amount of money to him. Point me to something genuinely motive less and not self-serving that he has done, if you want him to get praise. This sounds a lot like him trying to "buy good press", in my opinion. I'm very rarely impressed by "money" tbh.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Oh thank you for handing me this cherry!

Trump 'has said' he'll donate a million dollars to the Harvey victims but still hasn't done so.
When his Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked about why he still hasn't made his reported 'donation' she claimed that he's still having trouble making his supposed million dollar donation to Hurricane Harvey relief because the media hasn’t yet told him which charity to give it to. Really.

There's the thanks he gets.

Still his only crime was running for President. And the political establishment didn't like it, and neither do the political establishment Storm Troopers.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Err but the best you can say is, it's better than nothing? We could all donate a million dollars to charity if we were multi-millionaires... How benevolent it makes him depends entirely on whether or not that is actually a significant amount of money to him. Point me to something genuinely motive less and not self-serving that he has done, if you want him to get praise. This sounds a lot like him trying to "buy good press", in my opinion. I'm very rarely impressed by "money" tbh.

More appreciation for a good deed done here.

What has Donald Trump ever done to you? to make you so annoyed that he'd whack in a nice chunk of his money for victims? Why can't you just say "What a nice gesture, he's not so bad after all"

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

Still his only crime was running for President.

Now that's where you're going wrong!
This larry's been criming it up as far back as he can remember. You don't get the long established nickname 'Don the Con' in your home state for nothing!

The guy HAS comitted treason in a massive way against his own Country and he is also guilty of at least one count of obstruction of justice. You not heard about 'Trump University' ? The money laundering ? I could go on but it'll probably just be falling on deaf ears.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I don't have a problem with Chelsea Manning. She, unlike Drumpf, is an admirable person. Easy enough for you ?
Why you picking on Chelsea anyway ?

Could this thread go any further off-topic ? (yeah, yeah.........i know i'm as guilty as anyone on that one)

This is the sort of quote where problems lie with some.

Discussions do sometimes go off topic, it's not a big deal, you don't need to make a big deal out of the fact that conversations sometimes change course.

This doesn't need to and shouldn't be a dictatorship.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Now that's where you're going wrong!
This larry's been criming it up as far back as he can remember. You don't get the long established nickname 'Don the Con' in your home state for nothing!

The guy HAS comitted treason in a massive way against his own Country and he is also guilty of at least one count of obstruction of justice. You not heard about 'Trump University' ? The money laundering ? I could go on but it'll probably just be falling on deaf ears.

Do go on, I'm a good listener. I like to be educated.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

This is the sort of quote where problems lie with some.

Discussions do sometimes go off topic, it's not a big deal, you don't need to make a big deal out of the fact that conversations sometimes change course.

This doesn't need to and shouldn't be a dictatorship.

Believe me (the evidence will show) i don't have a problem with going off-topic but it seems to be heavily scorned in some forums. Just covering my ass.

[JTM45]

Check this place out for all the latest low-down on Trump dirt Alf. The guy (Palmer) has been the initial source of some of the biggest Trump stories that were later jumped on by the mainstream press. He's a tru American Patriot, loves his Country and hates Trump.

http://www.palmerreport.com/

[parmnion]

Look at all the lefties they have these men tried and convicted already without a trial or any evidence being given out..all we have is the arrests but the over eager lefties have already labelled them terrorists and people as terrorist sympathisers.....they hate nazis but by god they dont half act luke them at times...shameful, it really is.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

More appreciation for a good deed done here.

What has Donald Trump ever done to you? to make you so annoyed that he'd whack in a nice chunk of his money for victims? Why can't you just say "What a nice gesture, he's not so bad after all"

What has Donald Trump ever done to me? ... He's helped to bring the world closer to Nuclear catastrophe than it has been since the opening days of the Cold War, in less than 9 months in power. And then he's tried to turn people's heads away from that utterly terrifying fact by donating - sorry, pledging to donate - a bit of his pocket money to charity.

Why can't I say "oh he's not so bad after all"? Because I'm not stupid or gullible, I suppose.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Look at all the lefties they have these men tried and convicted already without a trial or any evidence being given out..all we have is the arrests but the over eager lefties have already labelled them terrorists and people as terrorist sympathisers.....they hate nazis but by god they dont half act luke them at times...shameful, it really is.

Yes Parm, I remember you staunchly defending the accused in all of the other recent Islamic terrorism threads. A paragon of justice, you have been.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes Parm, I remember you staunchly defending the accused in all of the other recent Islamic terrorism threads. A paragon of justice, you have been.

You need to quote me on that if you are accusing me...i have duscussed issues but dont recall accusing anyone that has not been convicted of a crime, of doing that crime.

I expect the usual witty and insultingly accusatory reply containing the latest excuse for not prividing the quotes when you cant find them..dont let me down auld yin.

[Northern Monkey]

This seems like a particularly nasty group.They endorsed the murder of Jo Cox.They have no place on our streets.They go around throwing Nazi salutes and are descriminatory against anyone who's not straight,white and British.You'd think that people who served our country would know better than to support or be involved in a pro Nazi group.A very un British and un patriotic act.What makes these feckers dangerous too is that they have military training on top of a fecked up ideology.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to quote me on that if you are accusing me...i have duscussed issues but dont recall accusing anyone that has not been convicted of a crime, of doing that crime.

I expect the usual witty and insultingly accusatory reply containing the latest excuse for not prividing the quotes when you cant find them..dont let me down auld yin.

Brace yourself;

I thought it was fairly evident that I was being sarcastic; the point is that you would NEVER defend a Muslim Terrorist but, without hesitation, you're charging in on your trusty steed ready to defend flag waving neo-nazis.

So no, I can't quote what doesn't exist. The whole point was that you DON'T post to defend "those" terrorists . Only the nice Bwitish Tewwowists who are only planning to kill dirty Muslims to defend their homes and Families by gum.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just a direct consequence of Islamic terror in the UK, the more Islamic terror the greater risk that people will try to take the law into their own hands from the same socio-demographic and intelligence level

stands to reason, does not make it right but its kind of similar to the UVF/UDA

I agree with this. AsLT says, it doesn't make it right, but when the police and government fail to crack down on radical mosques and imams, then the unequality of it all, will drive some people to take matters into their own hands.

[Oliver_W]

I'm still not sure what they were actually planning? It sounds like their only crime was being involved with National Action, which should absolutely get them the book thrown at them, but there's a difference between "planning terror attacks" and "being involved with an awful group"

[MTVN]

I don't think we ever get to hear the details until the trial with charges like this, I'm sure we'll find out in due course