[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And neither should anti-Islam. No religion should be demonized.

Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.

Have you not seen who is in the White House lately? Did Jo Cox's murder pass you by? Not seen the latest German election polls?

There's a massive anti-islamic slant in a lot of western countries' politics and it will only become more extreme.

[Tom4784]

As for the topic at hand, I'm glad they've given her security, although the threat is likely empty it should still be taken seriously.

I'm sad that it's had to come to that though. If people disagree with her views then they should open a dialogue, not issue threats.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Have you not seen who is in the White House lately? Did Jo Cox's murder pass you by? Not seen the latest German election polls?

There's a massive anti-islamic slant in a lot of western countries' politics and it will only become more extreme.

one person in the UK and 12% of the German vote

is


massive?

ok

[Oliver_W]

I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.

And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.

You learn something new everyday on here.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.

And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.

Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.

The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.

You don't respond to extremism with extremism.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one person in the UK and 12% of the German vote

is


massive?

ok

It isn't if you ignore the fact that Extremism has been on the rise throughout most elections that's happened in recent years, thankfully in most cases they lost but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. Pretending that extremism doesn't exist in politics just makes it easier for them to gain a bigger foothold in politics.

12% is a lot for an extreme party, they went from having no say or power to becoming the third biggest share of votes. It's worrying if they continue to garner support.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.

And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.

Who said she was?...

She was murdered by a right wing extremist. the reasoning he gave was political, in relation to her work in Muslim communities.
Falling for what kind of thing, the Muslim ban is given credibility because of what?

The thread started with the apparent need for a political reporter employing a bodyguard due to her views, and has descended into the demonisation of Muslims. Who would have thought it?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said she was?...

She was murdered by a right wing extremist. the reasoning he gave was political, in relation to her work in Muslim communities.
Falling for what kind of thing, the Muslim ban is given credibility because of what?

The thread started with the apparent need for a political reporter employing a bodyguard due to her views, and has descended into the demonisation of Muslims. Who would have thought it?

pretty much just you

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.

The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.

As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

pretty much just you

ok

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.

Don't you listen to world affairs?

Each year the UK government gives Łbillions (not millions) to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is so the Zionists can wipe out the Islamists.

In 2016 the U.S. Finalized a deal to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid. This was so the Zionists could wipe out the Islamists.

We are very openly aiding Israel to wipe out what's left of Palestine and that is what Jeremy Corbyn is against. The problem is, many people don't understand the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism... they believe its the same thing and so when Labour make anti-Zionist speeches, the Right use those speeches as anti-Jew rhetoric from the Left-wing party and you know what? people fall for it again and again because what they haven't learned and probably don't want to learn is, the British and American governments are the biggest Zionists on this planet.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Don't you listen to world affairs?

Each year the UK government gives Łbillions (not millions) to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is so the Zionists can wipe out the Islamists.


We are very openly aiding Israel to wipe out what's left of Palestine

You mean the same way we give arms to the Saudis?

lol at "wiping out Palestine", who's population growth is the same now as it was before 2010.
Worst. Genocide. Ever.

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks&t=45s

Zionism does to Judaism what ISIS does to Islam

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks&t=45s

Zionism does to Judaism what ISIS does to Islam

Just ISIS, not all the other islamic terror groups and individual terrorists over the world?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Just ISIS, not all the other islamic terror groups and individual terrorists over the world?

And lets not forget western terror. The 1.3 million Muslims we killed in Iraq and the 1.7 million dead across the middle east due to western sanctions in our crusade on terrorism. Let's not forget the 800 men, many of them innocent, who were imprisoned and tortured without restraint in Guantánamo Bay. We, by holding hands with the U.S have supported terrorism in far more countries than ISIS or other western-made terror groups will ever reach. Our government has blood on its hands.

[Oliver_W]

whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout

Oh dear, did you run out of things to say?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear, did you run out of things to say?

No, it's just banging on about how the West are "terrorists" has nothing to do with anything.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.

The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.

You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.

You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.

Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No, it's just banging on about how the West are "terrorists" has nothing to do with anything.

It must be nice to be as sure about anything as you are about everything because when you're so sure about everything you can just ignore circumstances.

But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?

Doesn't take much effort to google it.

You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It must be nice to be as sure about anything as you are about everything because when you're so sure about everything you can just ignore circumstances.

But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.

Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Doesn't take much effort to google it.

You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.

The burden of proof lies with the claimant, and I've seen no proof it's anything but a hold on immigration from places affected by extremism.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.

Don't you research this stuff before posting?

https://mises.org/blog/long-history-...ast-and-africa

A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas.

Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../turk-s09.html

The German army is to massively expand its presence at the Incirlik air base in southeastern Turkey. The defence ministry under Ursula Von der Leyen has announced investments totalling €58 million.

According to Spiegel Online, €26 million is to be used to construct an airstrip for the Tornados stationed there and permanent accommodation for the troops. For an additional €30 million, the army will establish a mobile command centre for the deployment of the air force. For this, the building of a foundation will be necessary, which costs an additional €2 million.

The NATO Incirlik airbase is the main location from where the US-led air war in Syria and Iraq is waged, in which the German army has participated since last year with fighter jets, a warship, refuelling aircraft, satellite technology and up to 1,200 troops. The German Tornado pilots have flown approximately 500 reconnaissance missions since then.