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17-10-2017, 11:28 AM | #51 | ||
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For the rest... this entire thread is based on the concept that men should challenge other men? Partly on a societal scale (which I agreed with, groups of male friends shouldn't encourage or copy their mates sexism in peer settings and should call it out) but also on two other levels. First being that "men are responsible overall for the actions of other men" and responsible for being the ones to stop it. I can't imagine you agree with that, because I know your stance on the suggestion that "Muslim communities are responsible for terrorists and should be the ones tackling it" and this is literally no different. Non-sexist / non-aggressive men are not responsible for the actions of other men, and no individual or community should be made to feel responsible for the actions of another individual unless they have actively encouraged it. The second was quite explicitly that men should be expected to step in in specific, acute situations such as sexual harassment on public transport, moreso than individuals in general, because aggressors are more likely to listen to men, with the underlying message being that "men are tougher and more able to stand up to these things". That is a massive problem. It's trying to tackle macho culture by ENCOURAGING macho culture. It's impossible. |
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17-10-2017, 11:30 AM | #52 | ||
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IIRC he didn't come forward about anything but the "other Corey" has said that this was the case. That's off the top of my head though, from an interview that he gave.
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17-10-2017, 11:34 AM | #53 | |||
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Well those two worked together alot back in the 80's and 90's so it would be pretty likely if Corey Feldman had been abused then Cory Haim probably had been too as they would be around the same people
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17-10-2017, 11:36 AM | #54 | |||
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The discussion about danger perceptions between the two genders is interesting but slightly o/t, maybe it warrants its own thread? But yeah, as far as I know men are better in "flight or fight" situations and making snap decisions due to endocrine and brain chemistry? Though that's slightly different, it's more about how to react to a presented possible threat, rather than perceiving them.
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17-10-2017, 11:39 AM | #55 | |||
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When it comes to wiring, we can only work on the law of averages (the most common connectivity patterns tested this far) Perhaps I should have said, "on average, cognitive science shows that most women are more intuitive than men (around danger)" and not made it sound like a sweeping generalization.
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17-10-2017, 11:50 AM | #56 | |||
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'For the study, 90,000 people were shown different photographs of people’s eyes. They were then asked to say what they thought that person’s mood was. The results: women consistently outperformed men.' I don't agree with the premise of the thread that men need to police other men far from it, like you say it is applauded when men step in but they shouldn't be however it's impossible to say whether they do it due to a false sense of duty or just due to the fact they are witness to a crime. With everyone the bystander effect throws up those who step up and those that don't, male and female.
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17-10-2017, 11:53 AM | #57 | |||
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17-10-2017, 11:55 AM | #58 | |||
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/new...oman-tube.html
This video of the truth and you at last years tibb get together may illustrate your point vicky. |
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17-10-2017, 11:59 AM | #59 | |||
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A man drawing a knife is a presented threat which needs to be reacted to, a shifty looking man who just seems dodgy is a possible threat, which apparently women would be better at judging the likelihood of him being an actual danger.
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17-10-2017, 12:03 PM | #60 | |||
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A man with a knife is an actual threat not a perceived one.
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17-10-2017, 12:11 PM | #61 | |||
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Dat's wight wabbit.
My argument was that while women might be better at assessing whether or not something is a threat, men are better at reacting to the actual threat. |
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17-10-2017, 12:40 PM | #62 | |||
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17-10-2017, 12:48 PM | #63 | |||
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When it was the man shouting at the women 7 passers-by stopped to help, and with the roles reversed 1 person stopped. Here is the article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/5...d-4516962d5c44 Video here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/e...9-82a82dbf6ec5 |
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17-10-2017, 01:16 PM | #65 | |||
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17-10-2017, 01:17 PM | #66 | |||
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If you click the underlined part of the post it will link you to the article Kizzy
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17-10-2017, 01:23 PM | #67 | |||
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Ah, isn't technology fabulous?...
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17-10-2017, 01:25 PM | #68 | |||
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As in a transguy? I guess he'd have much the same response as any other biological female. That said, testosterone fuels some of the behaviours we deem "aggressive", so if he'd started HRT he might be more inclined to fight an attacker off.
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17-10-2017, 03:23 PM | #71 | |||
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No, as in an XX male with no SRY gene.
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17-10-2017, 03:57 PM | #72 | ||
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I feel I should reply to all (or most of) your posts in here in more detail when I have more time as kind of busy at the moment but your replies have made a lot of sense to me too and yes, there is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy issue to so much of this. And maybe it is sexist to think men are listened to more by other men than women are. But I genuinely do believe this to be the case.
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Don't really understand the Muslims part. IF the absolutely huge majority (infact very nearly all) of terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim people then I do think it would be totally acceptable to allude to this being a problem predominately with one part of society. And to ask why this is. And what 'normal' Muslims could/should be doing to stop this anomaly that seems to be making one race hugely more dangerous than other races. And I would question why others did not think that these things were fair to say/ask actually. Nearly all sexual violence is committed by men. Against both women, and against other men. Infact, violence in general is nearly always committed by male people.
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17-10-2017, 05:02 PM | #75 | ||
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Not to turn into the new Truth here, but this simply isn't true. Most assaults that result in serious injury are committed by men, as men are more physically capable of causing serious injury without a weapon (and most violent incidents don't actually involve weapons). It's also true that there is MORE violence is committed by males. "Nearly always" however is a gross exaggeration; the domestic violence stats are close to being 50/50 by many measures. The main difference being that female-on-male domestic violence is (again) far less likely to result in serious injury, and also much less likely to be reported (very, very rare in fact). I personally actually know far more guys who have been slapped / kicked / had objects thrown at them by their female partners than females who have had their male partners get physical with them... it's just much more widely accepted for some reason. A guy stays out late with his friends and gets home to an angry girlfriend and she lobs something at him, he tells his friends the next day, it gets a "LOL". A girl gets home from a night out and her angry boyfriend chucks a boot at her and she tells her friends about it... at the very least he's he's going to be considered her "violent boyfriend" from that point on, and they'd probably encourage a police report. As of course - they should. Domestic violence is never acceptable, in any form... my point isn't that it should be fair game, just illustrating how massively skewed official violence stats are because of social conventions. It's impossible to gauge that way. But most anonymous stats asking the simple question "have you ever been struck violently by a partner" show that the stats across genders and sexual orientations are pretty much all equal. |
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