[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, but the stats aren't very informative.

I can name countless types of people that have never won or made the final, but BB (especially in the last 6 years) is very narrow in its choice of housemate so you're definitely going to see patterns in the types of people that prove popular and the ones that don't.

Is there irrefutable evidence that the viewers will not allow black women to win? No, not really.

You put 9 out of 10 white people in a house with a black person, and how likely is it the black person will win? An even slimmer chance when 50% of them are floaters.

Can't really predict this stuff but who knows, but things happen and get judged differently and a black female never winning is going to get people discussing, yes Raph talks about this and did stats about it but he isn't the only one like Vicky said it's common on tibb, Pete even made a thread about it and people agreed with what he said.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The difference here being Raph thinks of himself highly enough to arrogantly claim to be the real winner, who was robbed of the title due to prejudice.

Rather than Isabelle simply being a more popular person.

Raph isn't in the best position to be making that kind of claim. He's biased as the person "robbed" of the winning title.

Raph never said he was the rightful winner he was talking about Deborah as i said. The isabelle issue is recent months later and it seems it's mostly Chanelle who has the bigger issue with Isabelle. So her winning being an issue seems unlikely

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Can't really predict this stuff but who knows, but things happen and get judged differently and a black female never winning is going to get people discussing, yes Raph talks about this and did stats about it but he isn't the only one like Vicky said it's common on tibb, Pete even made a thread about it and people agreed with what he said.



Raph never said he was the rightful winner he was talking about Deborah as i said. The isabelle issue is recent months later and it seems it's mostly Chanelle who has the bigger issue with Isabelle. So her winning being an issue seems unlikely

"WE defied all odds"

What odds did he defy exactly?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Were you not aware that well-groomed half-Asians who come from affluent upbringings have a historically bad track record on BBUK?!?!?!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"WE defied all odds"

What odds did he defy exactly?

you have to ask him, first asian american male to be final 2 who knows idk, not going to assume stuff because it could not be true and some fans like bb odds stuff but what Raph says is an opinion hold by some of TIBB and it's no big deal and i guess you will have to wait to see if this Isabelle stuff is actually true and keep an eye on their twitters for more and they all still follow each other.

[MB.]

Raph's the only (partially) Asian-American male to have even been on the show, there weren't any "odds" for him to defy

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by MB.

Raph's the only (partially) Asian-American male to have even been on the show, there weren't any "odds" for him to defy

didn't say it was it was just a silly example, as i said you will have to ask him

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

you have to ask him, first asian american male to be final 2 who knows idk, not going to assume stuff because it could not be true and some fans like bb odds stuff but what Raph says is an opinion hold by some of TIBB and it's no big deal and i guess you will have to wait to see if this Isabelle stuff is actually true and keep an eye on their twitters for more and they all still follow each other.

First American-Asian final 2 and also the first American-Asian altogether?

That's a pretty impressive track record.

[Wizard.]

There’s been a person of colour or people of colour in the final 3 more so than not and also the first evictee is usually white so Tracy Beaker shut ya big fat gob!

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

There’s been a person of colour or people of colour in the final 3 more so than not and also the first evictee is usually white so Tracy Beaker shut ya big fat gob!

I think you'll find that Mandy defied the odds by being the first ever randy person to be evicted first

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by MB.

I think you'll find that Mandy defied the odds by being the first ever randy person to be evicted first

And Marco being the first son of a celebrity chef to be evicted first I mean talk about going against the stats

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

There’s been a person of colour or people of colour in the final 3 more so than not and also the first evictee is usually white so Tracy Beaker shut ya big fat gob!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Riley.

There’s been a person of colour or people of colour in the final 3 more so than not and also the first evictee is usually white so Tracy Beaker shut ya big fat gob!

because most of the cast are white

but this was a diverse season and Deborah did tell Hannah they beat the stats etc and the odds did break by Hannah not getting evicted on VTE when some of tibb think she was obviously going.

[Wizard.]

Also I loved Chanelle but unless you lick her arsehole I imagine she complains so just cause Issy isn’t obsessed with her she probably got the hump!

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

And Marco being the first son of a celebrity chef to be evicted first I mean talk about going against the stats

Don't forget Sada, the first ever person to move to Argentina and change their name to Guru Amrit Dev to be evicted first

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

because most of the cast are white

but this was a diverse season and Deborah did tell Hannah they beat the stats etc and the odds did break by Hannah not getting evicted on VTE when some of tibb think she was obviously going.

Exactly you can’t complain on a show that’s so messy anyone could be evicted at anytime they did well to make it as far as they did and to say they didn’t win because of the colour of their skin takes away their achievements

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

because most of the cast are white

Not surprising in a country that is 80% white.

A black person making the final 3 more often than not is more impressive than it sounds.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not surprising in a country that is 80% white.

A black person making the final 3 more often than not is more impressive than it sounds.

Let’s face it anyway it’s better to be iconic than win and most of the iconic housemates were black

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not surprising in a country that is 80% white.

A black person making the final 3 more often than not is more impressive than it sounds.

Makosi
Gina
Deborah
Brian
Adam
Darren

6/18 not really often. A black female winning will be big deal on tibb which was going to be Lateysha and by super fans international.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Let’s face it anyway it’s better to be iconic than win

Luckily for us, Isabelle did both

[MB.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Makosi
Gina
Deborah
Brian

4/18 not really often. A black female winning will be big deal on tibb which was going to be Lateysha and by super fans international.

What kind of Darren and Adam shade?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by MB.

What kind of Darren and Adam shade?

6/18 then

i forgot about them

[MB.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

6/18 then

i forgot about them

Typical erasure of ethnic minorities from history, tut tut

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

6/18 then

i forgot about them

6/18 in a country 80% white. Wow!

[Marsh.]

And "black women" are not the only non-whites.

Bloody offensive sh*ts.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Makosi
Gina
Deborah
Brian
Adam
Darren

6/18 not really often. A black female winning will be big deal on tibb which was going to be Lateysha and by super fans international.

I wasn’t just meaning Black people you could also count Jackson, Deana, Siavash, Dexter and Dave and Nadia oh and Raph