Notices

CBB21 Celebrity Big Brother January 2018 [CBB 21] (dubbed Year of the Women). Discuss the housemates and series - which was won by Courtney Act - here.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 26-01-2018, 03:17 PM #76
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilac hills View Post
The wage gap is a myth from a misleading statistic that disregarded job positions, hours work and most importantly maternity leave

The 5 most powerful people in Britain are women

Sexual abuse isn’t a feminist issue both sexes deal with it

What qualifies as sexual harassment for you btw? Cat calling?

I don’t hate women, I’m an egalitarian. All people deserve rights and equal treatment, not just women. I would go as far to say that it has started going the other way and that women have it easier but that’s up for debate.
Except the wage gap isn't a myth, it's something that's been proven to exist time and time again.

The most powerful people in the country doesn't change things for the millions of other women in the country, leadership roles in most industries are still dominated by men, business is still mostly male dominated etc. There's more opportunities for men then there are women.

Sexual abuse can affect both sexes but women are still way more likely to be affected by it

Yes, all the sexual harassment business of the past year has just come down to cat calling. Good god. Sexual harassment is the pressurising of a person into a sexual situation, whether that be by unwanted advances or comments or leading a person into a sexual situation through false pretences. It's a problem, like with sexual assault, that women have to deal with way more than men.

I reject the idea that you are an egalitarian, why aren't you denouncing all the advantages men get in favour of pretending that feminism isn't needed when it obviously is just because you have a problem with the few advantage society allows women to have. It's the same argument that people have against Pride parades or Black History month.

Nothing you have said has really made me believe that you care about equality at all.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:18 PM #77
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Default

Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother forum but let’s just agree to disagree

Last edited by Lilac hills; 26-01-2018 at 03:34 PM.
Lilac hills is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:18 PM #78
Underscore's Avatar
Underscore Underscore is offline
beyonce of waltham forest
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Yorkshire/London
Posts: 6,080

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Trish
BB19: Lewis F
Underscore Underscore is offline
beyonce of waltham forest
Underscore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Yorkshire/London
Posts: 6,080

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Trish
BB19: Lewis F
Default

Loving these smackdowns by Niamh

You go girl
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullen Girl View Post
i hope we all die soon


Spoiler:



ST☆RS (TiBB's CBB): 6th/12

I'm a TiBB Member 4: 3rd/16 & Highest Placed All-Star (1st/8)
TiBB on Ice: 4th/15
ST☆RS (TiBB's CBB) 2: 3rd/17
TiBB OTT3: 2nd/13
Underscore is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:26 PM #79
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezzy View Post
Except the wage gap isn't a myth
Yes it is.
Bones is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:27 PM #80
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
good post
Thank you. You too.
Bones is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:28 PM #81
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Default

Let’s all love each other tho there are enough bad things in this world <3

Like Andrew brady

Last edited by Lilac hills; 26-01-2018 at 03:29 PM.
Lilac hills is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:40 PM #82
Jamie89's Avatar
Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
Jamie89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilac hills View Post
Ok last post I’ll make on this hungry af

A lot of the things mentioned aren’t feminist/sexism issues. The wage gap is debatable but the statistics usually are misleading and don’t account for other external factors. Sexual abuse is bad people doing bad things to other people, not men doing bad things to women. The current Hollywood situation is bad, but harvey weinstein is not all men, it is an issue but it’s not reflective of day to day life and all normal people; men get sexually abused a lot it’s just not talked about mainly because men are taught early on to reserve their feelings and not show emotion, because if they are they are laughed at, and I’ve never seen a feminist vouch for this issue hmm. Abortion is something women are voting on too it’s not just ‘men are impressing our bodies hngg’ and anyway on the flip side if aborting becomes illegal the individual carrying the baby can just give birth put the responsibility of the child on the father and make him pay all the expenses!!!

I mean we can go in circles debating feminism on a big brother form but let’s just agree to disagree
I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).
__________________


BBCAN: Erica | Will | Veronica | Johnny | Alejandra | Ryan | Paras

Last edited by Jamie89; 26-01-2018 at 03:41 PM.
Jamie89 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:41 PM #83
hazyjo hazyjo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: London
Posts: 279
hazyjo hazyjo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: London
Posts: 279
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones View Post
As i said, you are so naive
Mate, I'm forty-fkin'-seven. I have every tee-shirt going Naïve went out of my world about 30 years ago

No feminist either. Equality yes.

I want Daniel to win FFS!
hazyjo is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:42 PM #84
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hazyjo View Post
Mate, I'm forty-fkin'-seven. I have every tee-shirt going Naïve went out of my world about 30 years ago

No feminist either. Equality yes.

I want Daniel to win FFS!
Ok then Sorry my mistake
Bones is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:42 PM #85
montblanc's Avatar
montblanc montblanc is offline
haunted
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 12,650

Favourites (more):
Love Island 5: Amber
Love Island 3: Marino


montblanc montblanc is offline
haunted
montblanc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 12,650

Favourites (more):
Love Island 5: Amber
Love Island 3: Marino


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal. So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).
misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it
__________________





Spoiler:


montblanc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:43 PM #86
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Bones Bones is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 233

Favourites (more):
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe
BB18: Arthur
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by montblanc View Post
misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it
Not really.
Bones is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:48 PM #87
Jamie89's Avatar
Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
Jamie89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by montblanc View Post
misogyny i feel plays a HUGE part in it
If misogyny was the reason behind someone sexually abusing some else though then men wouldn't be victims of it, it follows a pattern of straight men abusing women and gay men abusing other men. I suppose misogyny could be a factor, like I said I don't know all the facts I'm just assuming really, but it just seems to make more sense to me that the rates are what they are because of sexuality.
__________________


BBCAN: Erica | Will | Veronica | Johnny | Alejandra | Ryan | Paras
Jamie89 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:52 PM #88
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Lilac hills Lilac hills is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 542

Favourites (more):
CBB21: India Willoughby
BB17: Jayne
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
I agree that the rates of sexual abuse against women being higher isn't necessarily a feminist issue (it's an issue... just not a feminist one). I think it often gets treated as one because women make up the majority of victims but I think that's better explained by sexuality rather than sexism or attitudes, as in most abusers are men and most men are straight. If the sexuality of abusers was 50/50 gay/straight then I think the rates of sexual abuse between men and women would also be equal but that's not reality (and nothing to do with sexism). So the real question is why are men more likely to be sexual abusers and I think nature probably plays a big part in that (although I don't really know enough about it tbh).
Honestly it may have something to do with nature, definitely not totally unplausible. I’d like to think that most people in the first world surpress natural urges when it’s at the expense at another person tho however.

And tbh sexual abuse and rape is a bit of a grey area. A lot of people that have been abused, both men and women, don’t speak up about it in fear of being ridiculed or being seen as less of a person. Rape is also a difficult crime to prove. If there are no noticeable scars or anything. Two people can claim rape, one genuine the other not, both have no physical harm to prove it so how do you distinguish if they’re legitimate? I think in this case for a lot of cases involving women abuse people get accused of victim blaming if they don’t believe the victim ykno so this can lead to a lot of false accusations. Again it’s all a bit of a grey area so liek ykno

Last edited by Lilac hills; 26-01-2018 at 03:53 PM.
Lilac hills is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 26-01-2018, 03:59 PM #89
y.winter's Avatar
y.winter y.winter is offline
swapped for scrabble
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 8,107

Favourites (more):
BB19: Brooke
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


y.winter y.winter is offline
swapped for scrabble
y.winter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 8,107

Favourites (more):
BB19: Brooke
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


Default

Sometimes it does come across like she's overdoing it.
The time when she wanted to let Jess talk about Page 3 and saying later that she wanted "to empower a fellow woman", like it's some sort of a disability that requires empowerment - hoping on the feminist train to nowhere. A bit like a walking facebook post of inspirational quotes.
__________________

Spoiler:


Shifra, Tzabar, Ranin. BBIL 2008.
y.winter is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
ashley, feminist, james

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:08 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts