[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't really see the harm in any of it, if anything I suppose it's a good sign that people who maybe in the past wouldn't have wanted to be associated now do? Shows how 'normal' we've become. I think a better approach though would not to have acronyms at all, maybe just use something like Queer as a catch all and use the words (gay/lesbian etc etc) if you're talking about something specific, seems more straight forward. Or have LGBT and then Queer to describe everything else? I dunno, something simpler than a string of letters I can't remember and that are different depending who you ask

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word.

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LBG are their own thing and all to do with sexuality and nothing to do with kink or any 'choice'. Could be discriminated against for how they were born. All alike, all SHOULD be together.

T is separate from them all. 'Transgender' is a huge catchall word that encompasses half the planet also and lumps in transsexual people (who do need help and support) with crossdressers and drag queens. Now, crossdressing is a choice, but even if it is somehow innate, its a more like a kink than a sexuality. Neither transsexual nor transgender is a sexuality like LGB. Infact much of the ideology/activism is homophobic (see cotton ceiling) so they should definitely not be joined. But yes, they may suffer discrimination.

Intersex is obviously its own thing too, but yes they could be discriminated against for how they were born. Nothing to do with sexuality though, and again, its own thing.

Q - utterly pointless term and was used as a slur for a long time too. Not even necessarily about sexuality and many straight white people describe themselves as queer just so they can feel special. Another catchall that if most people tried hard enough, they could include themselves under. Should disappear totally tbh

Assexual, polygamy and such, just...they will not be discriminated against..as unless you actually told someone, noone would know, so I don't understand adding these at all.

2spirit (on one of the alphabet soups)...just wtf, again nothing to do with LGB

Kink, **** off trying to make your sexual choices something to do with everyone else. Seriously..noone cares unless you decide to start walking around town in a gimp suit o r pop your 'yoni eggs' out in the middle of a restaurant.

So yeah, I think many many groups are just piggybacking on the LGB movement to get a slice of the 'discrimination' pie when many of them have not suffered discrimination and probably never will . People know there is huge support for LGB people now, and want to use that to further their own interests, which I find pretty insidious, if I am honest. And the constant watering down of LGB is making the whole thing a bit of a joke. And its certainly not a good thing to be making out that LGB and 'kink' have anything in common when kink is absolutely a choice and LGB people have fought like, forever to get people to understand that their sexuality is NOT a choice.

Long post, sorry. Went on a rant again

[Livia]

I reckon that the string of initials will go on until eventually everyone's included and not inclined to place themselves and others in categories.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I reckon that the string of initials will go on until eventually everyone's included and not inclined to place themselves and others in categories.

Because this world is ****ing stupid

[Oliver_W]

It's LGBT. Anything beyond that is nonsense.

I don't acknowledge "Queer", as it doesn't belong in the acronym; at best, it could be used as an alternative, because Queer is an umbrella term for things in LGBT. Why include an umbrella term in an umbrella term?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's LGBT. Anything beyond that is nonsense.

I don't acknowledge "Queer", as it doesn't belong in the acronym; at best, it could be used as an alternative, because Queer is an umbrella term for things in LGBT. Why include an umbrella term in an umbrella term?

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

[smudgie]

What about us poor beggars that just don’t want to be labelled by our sexual orientation?

[Maru]

[Maru]

Originally Posted by smudgie

What about us poor beggars that just don’t want to be labelled by our sexual orientation?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

That deserves a LOL.

[Tom4784]

A line has to be drawn, the LGBT is for people of non-normative sexuality (and genders in the case of Trans people) to come together.

It's not for Barbara who read Fifty Shades of Grey and now thinks she's an pressed minority because she likes a bit of light S&M in a fictional setting.

It honestly makes me mad the more I think about it, it makes an utter mockery of the cause.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word

Queer was used as a slur but I thought the point was they had reclaimed it the same way the n word has been

I've seen it used most often by those on the far left tbh who connect it to radical politics

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Queer was used as a slur but I thought the point was they had reclaimed it the same way the n word has been

I've seen it used most often by those on the far left tbh who connect it to radical politics

Yeah, you never hear it come up in "normal" conversation, people just say gay or whatever

[Toy Soldier]

It's exhausting is all I can really think to say in all seriousness. It's exhausting even for those who "aren't involved" so I can only imagine how exhausting it is for those who make it a deliberate part of their everyday existence.

Also if I'm going to be totally frank...... ... I can see why it's an ideology that seems to come hand in hand with a big ol' serving of anxiety and depression for a lot of people. There's nothing wrong with being individually whoever you want to be, but all of the "rules" and labels that come along with it? And trying to keep track of them? It's a chaotic mindset.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

I do love you.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I do love you.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All of those things get lumped together
Seems it could go on forever
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella?
Why include an umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Umbrella in an umbrella
Ella
Ella
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay
Ay-ay

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A line has to be drawn, the LGBT is for people of non-normative sexuality (and genders in the case of Trans people) to come together.

It's not for Barbara who read Fifty Shades of Grey and now thinks she's an pressed minority because she likes a bit of light S&M in a fictional setting.

It honestly makes me mad the more I think about it, it makes an utter mockery of the cause.

..In keeping with TS though...what about Barbara, Dezzy...that poor pressed minority, Barbara who likes a little S&M and the likes of...

Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
You've got me rockin' and a-rollin'
Rockin' and a-reelin'
Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..In keeping with TS though...what about Barbara, Dezzy...that poor pressed minority, Barbara who likes a little S&M and the likes of...

Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann
You've got me rockin' and a-rollin'
Rockin' and a-reelin'
Barbara Ann
Ba ba ba ba Barbara Ann

Ammi, so what you're saying is, Barbara Ann is the S in S&M...