[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not true at all in any organisation there is the same procedure in relation to equality and diversity as men :/

We don't know what happened, as there was no inquiry.. You've just cobbled that together from bits reported in the media.
He admitted his behaviour towards one woman was inappropriate that's all, and he stepped down at the time.

He has admitted his inappropriate behaviour publically made a conscious effort to show that it was a past mistake as noted by his friends, family, colleagues and MPs.

I don't know what is required here ... for him to wear a millstone of shame for the next 10yrs?
No! you can't run your dead wifes memorial any longer!!... You're not WORTHY! :/

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame , why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame , why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

No where near as much as men do though

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

You ever been to wales?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame , why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert .

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

Did you say the same when trump was accused?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Did you say the same when trump was accused?

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

not sure why you are defending this sleaze bag?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

Yes it happens...what's your point in relation to this or were you just stating the obvious?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

Sticking your thumb in someones mouth whilst grabbing at their tits and ass is also sexual assault so im calling blatant hypocricy on you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not sure why you are defending this sleaze bag?

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sticking your thumb in someones mouth whilst grabbing at their tits and ass is also sexual assault so im calling blatant hypocricy on you.

Show me the quote of the person in question stating that is what happened, or him admitting he did those things specifically.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

Maybe your explanation is flawed as quite a few people are bewildered by your bizarre stance?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've explained it, if you can't understand me then I can't help you.

So Kizzy do you want a full confession by Brendan on tape ?? .
maybe he has admitted to loads of things but outside the media .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Show me the quote of the person in question stating that is what happened, or him admitting he did those things specifically.

Whats the point, your biased opinion would be the same, pure and simply for his labour connection.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He is on tape saying he grabs pussy... so no I didn't, he admitted sexual assault there's a difference :/

He isnt on tape saying he grabs pussys at all..thats a blatant lie.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

he wasn't sacked he voluntarily stepped down, I know what that tells me.

Yes, me too - that he's a dirty pig.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, me too - that he's a dirty pig.

It clearly shows he's guilty either way , but I think some people want concrete tape confessions .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You really don't think Kizzy is making excuses for his behaviour?

I haven't seen a single comment casting aspersions at his wife, other than to say that when she was murdered she didn't suddenly become a saint, which is factually correct unless you know otherwise?

No I don't.

I think Kizzy is pointing out some hypocrisy here.
That Cox has said he has overstepped the mark but he has also strenuously denied, more serious allegations.
While some others who were forced to leave their positions on the other political side,who got nothing like the acidic comments Cox is getting.
Yet they are still denying doing anything wrong.

It is not actually my place or yours in fact,to talk about other members to another member.
You have chosen so to do with me so I trust Kizzy will now not mind when I clearly state,I think for her views,the vitriol she gets here when she posts,is beyond a joke now.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Oh dear..

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/s...-a3771331.html

[MTVN]

Don't seem to remember this level of understanding being shown to Michael Fallon

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment" it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc " .

It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

I've never seen a case yet where someone's taken to court for being flirtatious