[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

I understand what you're saying , but they'll always be that media culture when it's a public figure or someone we see on tv . That's just how it is .

Yeah there's not much mention of a police investigation but maybe the case isn't closed yet .

[MTVN]

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

Trial by media,far worse now than likely ever before,is a threat,in my view,to real law and justice in this Country now.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

What i find somewhat sinister in this is that after leaving one charity under a black cloud, what does Cox do when his wife dies? Associates himself with another couple of charities. Surely i'm not the only one that thinks it's just not right.

[parmnion]

The guys a hypocritical ****ing creep...pawing and trying to get hus end away at charity jolies as his wife works endlesdly for the good of the country...then, then he has the audacity to play the doting, grieving hubby after her death...judging him by his scruples i would be having a close look at the accounts of this charity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What i find somewhat sinister in this is that after leaving one charity under a black cloud, what does Cox do when his wife dies? Associates himself with another couple of charities. Surely i'm not the only one that thinks it's just not right.

Why, the allegations were due to a personal issue nothing to do with the charities?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning.....that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why, the allegations were due to a personal issue nothing to do with the charities?

He was at a charity function..thats good enough.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning.....that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

Well I mentioned hypocrisy so will deal with that part.
When I was on the right or as I am now even on the left,I condemn no one or no politician,unless I know more of them and/ or have my own experience,for anything not proven but only alleged.

Once something illegal and serious is proven,that's a different matter,however I condemn no one for said serious accusations,right or left,no matter who they may be either.
I also never have done so either.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It just seems particularly bad when it's around charity events I think

Could be a little of the religion thing going on where scumbags use the cloak of "respectability" to abuse

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Could be a little of the religion thing going on where scumbags use the cloak of "respectability" to abuse

Yeah absolutely

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its also been revelaed today that the man who headed Save the Children while Cox was there left the charity after complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female colleagues. Given that I'd say it's pretty obvious that a culture of harassment existed at the charity just as it's been shown to have been endemic in many other sectors recently

It wasn't revealed today, he left at the same time 2015.

[LeatherTrumpet]

"Mr Forsyth (Save the Children), who is now deputy executive director of Unicef in New York"

Yeah thats right he got another gig at another charity

oh and him and COx worked together for Gordon Brown...



you could not make this sh1t up

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm, the trial by media is a tricky one I think, Annie...yeah it can be a very negative and unfair thing but it also can highlight and bring into focus, some very serious things that have been ‘covered up’, because of not wanting to attach any negatives to charity organisations, I presume...the thing is with ‘investigations being complete’ etc...it would seem that Save the Children did not report sexual misconduct allegations against Brendan Cox so there was no intention to even proceed with investigations, let alone complete...and that to me is the bigger worry and especially in view of Oxfam scrutiny atm and the highlighting the media have helped to make aware there...so it can be a good thing, a very much needed thing as well because people have supported something which appears to have ‘hidden’ some very awful things, that support may have been reluctant to have been given if transparency were there...there should always be transparency with things like this...Brendan personally is now being ‘tried by the media’, but I think for me that’s not the biggest focus, he will have to weather that out... he is already becoming answerable which may result in legal charges etc, so that will take care of itself, as it were..those individual cases...

..anyways, regardless of what Brendan is guilty of or not guilty of, I would still expect support for him which he seems to be getting from friends and family and Jo’s family as well because those are people who have seen the ‘positives’ of him as well within his role in his families..I would also expect some support from the left leaning as well, just because there won’t be much from the right leaning.....that’s how it is with these things, we all know how the game works, we all play it...each and every one of us, which is why I so hate ‘hypocrisy’ being attached because we’re all hypocrites...because one size never fits all in anything really...

The issue was brought into focus in 2015, when it was initially reported in the media.
In relation to the Oxfam scrutiny there was an investigation after reports to the charities regulator in 2011 when an investigation led to several people losing their posts, including the head of operations in Haiti.
the current CEO answering all the questions did not take up his post until 2013.
I don't understand your right/left leaning point, right leaning people are less likely to rely on evidence and more likely to believe 'facts' as they are presented in the media?

[Livia]

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Absolutely right in all that I'd say.

The slurs to Jo herself, and she isn't able to say anything herself after her shocking murder, are in my opinion anyway both cruel and unnecessary.

As you have pointed out the ways things can be concealed which can happen in families.
Even including when a parent abuses their children,it can often be the case the partner neither knew or suspected a thing.

[LeatherTrumpet]

And these two were advising Gordon Brown??

No wonder he ruined his legacy and made Labour unelectable

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

I should be surprised at this sickening troll like comment from you...Strangely I'm not.

[Jack_]

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

I actually think such comments take the forum to a low point very sadly.
I agree with every word you have said Jack_
They are really shocking.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't say that..people can be very good at hiding stuff. Even if this did all come out a few years back when she was alive, chances are he managed to manipulate her into not believing it, or played it down to say it was a historical pat on the arse or something.

I mean, loads of people don't notice even when their partners are having full blown affairs! Even after being told about it they are convinced its not true. Some people don't know that their partners are mass murderers People are good at hiding stuff when it suits them.

Yeah sadly this is reality,but who knows if Jo knew maybe she didn't believe it .

I know some people think somehow this is a witch Hunt which is ridiculous . We're all merely giving our opinions on this story.

We're not all going to agree ,but I wish there wasn't this guilt tripping going on over Jo's death . I for one even said how horrific her death was and had sympathy for her husband.

I even hoped after her shocking murder that BREXIT wouldn't happen,but that was just my political thought.

And the poor kids have no mother now ,and their dad has had this scandal to go through .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Anything to focus away from the issue

And guess what?

No one is surprised

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I should be surprised at this sickening troll like comment from you...Strangely I'm not.

Sickening and troll like. Really? Not a slight overreaction from you?