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Toy Soldier · 19-02-2018, 09:30 AM

Shane would have ended up making an amazing villain if they'd had him leave / be forced out instead of killed, then returning in a later season with his own group, maybe even as a Negan-style character (but more angry and less trollish). Although that said, they would have been taking a gamble as they wouldn't be able to hold the actor in a contract and would be relying on him being available to film, and he's done loads since TWD.

He was never really a full on villain at all... he did have an unhealthy connection with Lori and Carl (but for perfectly understandable reasons) but his main issue was that he saw Rick as weak and was scared that he would get them killed. It was supposed to be a major irony that after Shane's death, Rick actually came round to Shane's way of thinking pretty quickly... e.g. Rick was furious about Shane letting Carl practice using a handgun... then by the end of S3 Carl was toting an assault rifle with Rick's permission. And Rick has done a load of ruthless things in the name of keeping the group safe. The funny thing being, if Shane had seen Rick a couple of seasons later he probably wouldn't have had the same fears. He'd still have been jelly, but I don't think he would have wanted Rick gone.

Niamh. · 19-02-2018, 09:34 AM

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

Ant. · 19-02-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

Yes!

Rock's too unreliable

I definitely believe Maggie is the best leader right now. I'm honestly in love with her character and the role she has undertaken

Toy Soldier · 19-02-2018, 09:48 AM

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I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

I dunno... I wonder if Shane was a bit TOO far the other way... I can almost see him in the current situation having been happy enough to join up with Negan. Like maybe not become a full Saviour, and not become a "slave group" to them, but maybe would have been happy enough to form an alliance with them? Then again, on balance maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea

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Toy Soldier · 19-02-2018, 09:49 AM

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Yes!

Rock's too unreliable

Ant. · 19-02-2018, 09:52 AM

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Shane would have ended up making an amazing villain if they'd had him leave / be forced out instead of killed, then returning in a later season with his own group, maybe even as a Negan-style character (but more angry and less trollish). Although that said, they would have been taking a gamble as they wouldn't be able to hold the actor in a contract and would be relying on him being available to film, and he's done loads since TWD.

He was never really a full on villain at all... he did have an unhealthy connection with Lori and Carl (but for perfectly understandable reasons) but his main issue was that he saw Rick as weak and was scared that he would get them killed. It was supposed to be a major irony that after Shane's death, Rick actually came round to Shane's way of thinking pretty quickly... e.g. Rick was furious about Shane letting Carl practice using a handgun... then by the end of S3 Carl was toting an assault rifle with Rick's permission. And Rick has done a load of ruthless things in the name of keeping the group safe. The funny thing being, if Shane had seen Rick a couple of seasons later he probably wouldn't have had the same fears. He'd still have been jelly, but I don't think he would have wanted Rick gone.

This is an interest concept tbh. It certainly would have been interesting if, instead of him being killed by Rick/Carl, he got lost during the barn attack assumed dead, and then undertakes his villain role in 5a instead of the Grady Memorial Hospital people.
I could certainly imagine he would be pissed off that Lori died and would somehow blame Rick, but given the fact there would have been almost a year since their last encounter, part of me wonders if Shane will have calmed down or if he would have still been disturbed, which would have greatly changed his arc

Niamh. · 19-02-2018, 09:52 AM

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Yes!

Rock's too unreliable

I definitely believe Maggie is the best leader right now. I'm honestly in love with her character and the role she has undertaken

Yeah I think she's a better leader than Rick aswell plus he's probably going to go off again now Karls dead

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I dunno... I wonder if Shane was a bit TOO far the other way... I can almost see him in the current situation having been happy enough to join up with Negan. Like maybe not become a full Saviour, and not become a "slave group" to them, but maybe would have been happy enough to form an alliance with them? Then again, on balance maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea

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I blame Lori for making him go just a little too far at times, she was really ****ing with his head

Cal. · 19-02-2018, 10:32 AM

Shane

Lostie! · 19-02-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

I loved Shane as a character but I think he became way too unhinged to be a good leader.

His pragmatism but with more psychological stability would be the perfect combination though

Cal. · 19-02-2018, 01:09 PM

Shane is probably their most interesting character actually.

His descent into madness and Andrea learning to cope with losing her sister are two of my fave story lines

Babayaro. · 19-02-2018, 01:11 PM

Morgan's arc is good too

Lostie! · 19-02-2018, 01:19 PM

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Shane is probably their most interesting character actually.

His descent into madness and Andrea learning to cope with losing her sister are two of my fave story lines

Yeah I always found Shane one of the most interesting characters

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Shane and the people of Terminus are my favourite antagonists. Clearly I'm a sucker for fallen hero stories

Ant. · 19-02-2018, 01:22 PM

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Morgan's arc is good too

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Babayaro. · 19-02-2018, 01:26 PM

I just watched Clear last night and it was fantastic. Lennie James acted the shit out of it!

Cal. · 19-02-2018, 01:29 PM

I find Morgan so boring. I find the whole Kingdom boring actually.

It’s annoying because Carol is one of my favourite characters and they’ve put her with them.!

Lostie! · 19-02-2018, 01:36 PM

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I think it's been said that

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Amy Jade · 21-02-2018, 08:39 AM

This doesn't look good...

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Toy Soldier · 21-02-2018, 10:06 AM

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This doesn't look good...

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I just read that. Also, it's a comedy, that;

"FBI agent Will Chase and his new partnership with CIA operative Frankie Trowbridge, as the two navigate saving the world – and each other."

...frankly sounds like it will be absolutely ****ing awful, formulaic crap.

However, the ratings have been dropping like a stone and a lot of the bigger / emerging stars of TWD are going to start wanting out if they don't pick up soon. No one wants to be dragged down with a sinking ship. I mean the network has said they want the show to go on for years but I really can't see Andrew Lincoln or Norman Reedus signing many more contracts if the show continues to decline in viewership.

Worst part is it might already be too late... and even if somehow the show manages to get back to being as objectively good as it was once, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll manage to regain lost viewers.

Ammi · 21-02-2018, 10:47 AM

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This doesn't look good...

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Cal. · 23-02-2018, 06:35 AM

It’s weird how much I hated Lori when the first few seasons aired but in hindsight she was a bloody brilliant character. Flawed but brilliant.

Toy Soldier · 24-02-2018, 08:50 AM

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It’s weird how much I hated Lori when the first few seasons aired but in hindsight she was a bloody brilliant character. Flawed but brilliant.

She could still come back! I mean yeah I know she was cut open and eaten by a greedy zombie, but in Prison Break she had her head cut off and put in a box and she came back from that so...