[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Some of the comments made in this thread about the victim of a terrorist murderer are nothing short of disgusting, but then this section is a cesspool so perhaps I should come to expect it.

The worst thing is that they're not even jokes or an attempt at humour, they're just nasty, patronising and demeaning aspersions cast against a woman who has had no such posthumous status afforded to her as is being implied.

I wonder how such comments would go down if they were about the likes of Lee Rigby, or the victims of the Brighton bombings. Maybe I'll try some and see.

If you find out that Lee Rigby's wife was a sex pest, crack on.

No one involved in the Brighton bombing has been elevated to the status of Jo Cox anyway.

It's a tragedy that she was murdered. It doesn't mean her husband can't be criticised!

[LeatherTrumpet]

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

But someone has:

Originally Posted by Livia

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

A bit hard to do when every news item begins with "husband of murdered mp jo cox"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

A bit hard to do when every news item begins with "husband of murdered mp jo cox"

doesnt' mean we have to speculate she knew anything about his behaviour does it. And specifically, it doesn't mean we should assume she did know and use that assumption to cast doubts on her reputation, does it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

Both are implied conjecture and not posted as anything else

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's an awful lot of presuming. First you claim she surely must have known, now you presume he'd not have been called to account.
Are you psychic?

I'm allowed to presume. This is a debate forum not a court of law.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Jo Cox hadn't been murdered - which was a terrible and cowardly act - presumably he'd still be touching women inappropriately and no one would know his name. So thanks for your input.... but, no.

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Luckily for me my opinions don't live or die on whether or not you think they stand up.

[LeatherTrumpet]

So Cox's friend and pal of Gordon Brown; Justin Forsyth, has now just resigned at Unicef

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So Cox's friend and pal of Gordon Brown; Justin Forsyth, has now just resigned at Unicef

The plot thickens.
Charities must be a soft touch once they become too much of a business.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

But someone has:



Show some decency and leave the woman out of it.

So was she not married to the man? Not one person in this thread has said anything bad about the woman, unless it now has become a crime to be married to a sleaze ball? If it is, it's a new one on me

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This assumption also doesn't stand up.
I believe he'd have merited plenty of media attention as a husband of a sitting MP anyway. Misdemeanours of spouses of MPs have featured regularly in the press.

Dead right and well said.

It's a disgrace people refer to Jo now in a derogatory fashion with Saint included.
It really is possibly the vilest and most unkind thing to enact,to someone deceased,who never thought herself a saint and only worked her hardest and fought for her constituents.
Her husbands wrongs are not hers at all.

You'll get nowhere with your efforts sadly as it seems at times immunity from probably just being rotten on here now exists.
I applaud yours and Jacks posts totally,they are the more refreshing to come across on this thread.

Brendan Cox has shown himself to be a disappointment and time will tell.how much.
His brutally murdered wife however has no part in this.
Just as all people deceased have no connection to wrongs individually done by others of their families.
It would be a sad world indeed if all spouses were held in any way responsible for what their partners did.

Really low to drag Jo into this at all in my view.

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you find out that Lee Rigby's wife was a sex pest, crack on.

No one involved in the Brighton bombing has been elevated to the status of Jo Cox anyway.

It's a tragedy that she was murdered. It doesn't mean her husband can't be criticised!

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and no one has made a comment about that particular woman herself but about the way her death was treated by a certain section of society...

still, i dont want to ruin anyones ivory tower shower party...

Except they didn't, did they LT? The first and last posts here cast aspersions against the woman herself. And the other two are just pathetic.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Surely his wife must have know he was a sex pest?

vile

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She was just another politician at the time though, she wasn't the new Jesus yet.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people have invested so much sainthood in jo cox its hard now to realise that her husband was a wanker i guess is what is going on?

Originally Posted by Livia

He has admitted being a sex pest. His wife must surely have known. I'm not sure how that affects her sainthood.

Now go bait someone else

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So was she not married to the man? Not one person in this thread has said anything bad about the woman, unless it now has become a crime to be married to a sleaze ball? If it is, it's a new one on me

you're quoting me out of context. In my original post I quoted and highlighted a statement saying that she surely must have known about his behaviour. I objected to this type of speculation not to the fact she was his wife.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.



Except they didn't, did they LT? The first and last posts here cast aspersions against the woman herself. And the other two are just pathetic.









Now go bait someone else

As usual with yourself Jack you cant make a point without insulting members due to your very high opinion of yourself and you view, albeit often misguided

Just because a woman is dead does not mean one cannot talk about her or speculate about her, unless you know differently?


oh and i see that you and one other still hate this "cesspit" of a forum but cant stop posting in it?

Funny that, isnt it......

[parmnion]

Oh im not banned.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As usual with yourself Jack you cant make a point without insulting members due to your very high opinion of yourself and you view, albeit often misguided

Just because a woman is dead does not mean one cannot talk about her or speculate about her, unless you know differently?


oh and i see that you and one other still hate this "cesspit" of a forum but cant stop posting in it?

Funny that, isnt it......

I insulted no one.

It doesn't mean you can't, no, but to do so when they are NOT the subject of the story is insensitive and crass. But you know that already.

Yes LT, it is indeed funny that I'd like this section to return to the productive and constructive place it once was, rather than being filled with petty mudslinging, tit for tat, baiting and inflammatory comments. But again, you knew that already.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I insulted no one.

It doesn't mean you can't, no, but to do so when they are NOT the subject of the story is insensitive and crass. But you know that already.

Yes LT, it is indeed funny that I'd like this section to return to the productive and constructive place it once was, rather than being filled with petty mudslinging, tit for tat, baiting and inflammatory comments. But again, you knew that already.

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

how is speculating on Jo Cox on topic here?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

how is speculating on Jo Cox on topic here?

she was married to the main subject and lived with him in 2015. She was a politician who spoke on topics like charity, overseas aid, sexism, sexual harassment..

do i need to go on?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she was married to the main subject and lived with him in 2015. She was a politician who spoke on topics like charity, overseas aid, sexism, sexual harassment..

do i need to go on?

And how can she be held accountable for his actions?