[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dont give me that bolloxio, iv been here nearly 10 years and its the same as its always been. You just dont like people telling you that your lofty ideals are just that. No different from any "ideal world socialist"

Its a tactic to shut down a debate that isnt going well for your pov and i am not the only one who see though its wafer thin disguise.

Either leave or grow a thicker skin and stay on topic - failing that go work hard and make a forum and then you can play god all you like there and leave the modding on here to people who do it inordinately better than you could.

Okay LT. Now who's the one being insulting?

I have no problem having constructive and civilised discussions with people I sometimes or regularly disagree with, I've had plenty in my time here with the likes of Kirk, Pyramid, Kizzy, Toy Soldier, Vicky and yes even Livia too. What I - and many others (as you well know, based on the recent multi-page threads about it) - dislike, is the hostile, antagonistic, petty baiting that has plagued this section for almost a year. And yes, I am guilty of partaking in it. That doesn't mean I enjoy it, or don't want it to change. The same applies to many other members.

I've never criticised the mods in this whole debacle so I'm not sure what your point is, in fact when asked I (and others) have tried to offer suggestions which could make their job easier. My issue is with the overall mentality and go-to attitude of many posters of all political persuasions in this section. It needs to change, and the kind of comments I highlighted were just one example.

Thinking it's crass to bring a murder victim into a discussion that isn't even about them isn't a 'lofty ideal' (whatever that even means, it's not the 90s), it's called not being morally bereft. A bit like when the friends and family of Big Brother housemates who are not appearing on the show are criticised and insulted when they are not responsible for the behaviour of their peer or relative. It's the same principle. But, again, you know that already - quite why I'm entertaining this is beyond me.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps since it seems LT can go around telling people to leave lately,he near told me to the other day too.
I and others should now just leave him and those who all applaud him and each other, to this forum now.
I've had personal insults and questioning of my personal life status too.
Nothing done.

If anyone on here did anything wrong in life,honestly they'd think it justifiable to bring into that wrong they did,their deceased partner or other members of their family.
I doubt that very much.

Know what,I don't care if I do get banned for this post I've been made to feel sick reading the vile aspersions to Jo.
As I said in 2016 when she was murdered,I assisted in leafleting and canvassing with her in the 2015 election.
She was one of the most thoughtful,fun loving,kindest people I came across.
This thread is rightly raised as to Brendon Cox,seeing her being dragged into it so cruelly brings shame,in my opinion,to the forum.
Very sad for me to see after near 8 years and near 30,000 posts.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Perhaps since it seems LT can go around telling people to leave lately,he near told me to the other day too.
I and others should now just leave to him and those who all applaud him each other to this forum now.

If anyone on here did anything wrong in life,honestly they'd think it justifiable to bring into that wrong they did their deceased partner or other members of their family.
I doubt that very much.

Know what,I don't care if I do get banned for this post I've been made to feel sick reading the vile aspersions to Jo.
As I said in 2016 when she was murdered,I assisted in leafleting and canvassing with her in the 2015 election.
She was one of the most thoughtful,fun loving,kindest people I came across.
This thread is rightly raised as to Brendon Cox,seeing her being dragged into it so cruelly brings shame,in my opinion,to the forum.
Very sad for me to see after near 8 years and near 30,000 posts.

Its not about you son, although for some reason all you do it bring every post back to you and your life , and frankly your post is vague and makes little sense. Just post about the actual subject and you wont go far wrong.

if you dont like the subject, post elsewhere, its not rocket science.

[joeysteele]

Perhaps LT directing your advice to yourself could possibly be much more in order.
Also don't call me son either,I don't appreciate that at all.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Perhaps directing your advice to yourself could possibly be much more in order.
Also don't call me son either,I don't appreciate that at all.

hear hear!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

hear hear!

Thanks Twosugars but please don't risk getting into bother for me.
I've just had enough of my integrity being questioned,my status questioned and personal insults.
Everyone has a breaking point,I've always tried to be fair and insult no one,all my time on here.
Doesn't work however it seems.

Anyway,back on the issue of Brendon Cox,he is the one in the wrong on this issue,no one else,not his family,Jo's family and certainly not his deceased wife Jo herself.
Which you also pointed out and got attacked for too.

That is sad to see absolutely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What would Lee Rigby's wife have to do with him? She is her own person, just as - shock horror - Brendan Cox is his. No one (well, apart from maybe Kizzy - and for the record I disagree with her line of reasoning) is suggesting he can't be criticised. Discuss him all you like, HE is the subject of the news story - not his wife. The media running with 'husband of Jo Cox' is crass too, that doesn't mean you all have to follow it to the letter.

No one has given Jo Cox a sainthood status as is being so nastily implied here. And, for what it's worth, Lee Rigby is on a much higher pedestal than she has ever been. I wonder why that is?

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.

I'm not against criticism.. He has been rightly criticised in 2015 and now. What I don't agree with is the media circus, whipping people into a frenzy about something for which there is scant detail...leaving many to fill in the blanks with images of debauchery and abuse.

It's all fantasy :/

The bolded section I'm also going to take exception to as I feel that over recent months I've personally as well as seen left wing voices persecuted and effectively trolled on the forum.
Followed around the section and baited on certain topics, it's been freely commented on by a moderator it isn't simply my imaginings.

So no, I don't believe that there is a willingness for productive discourse or restoration, in fact the labelling, accusations, sniping and mocking towards myself personally has increased.

[parmnion]

Yeah, ive been personally insulted in here for 9 yrs...whoopdeedoo.

[GoldHeart]

I don't understand the arguments, this thread is about Brendan Cox and we all have our opinions .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yeah, ive been personally insulted in here for 9 yrs...whoopdeedoo.

So.
No one should have personal insults, no one should have their professional status or personal status questioned.
I for one have eventually got sick of it.
That's my right.

You it seems from what you say haven't got sick of it, that's your right..

In either case it shouldn't happen, whether people just lie down and let people continually get away with it or if the time comes for others, who decide enough is enough.

Anyway nothing gets done really even if reported so then options run out, so it's likely to give to some what they want in the end.
With the loss of more members and as to people looking in,loss of potential new ones.

[AnnieK]

This section has always been pretty toxic, there are very strong opinions voiced here. I only comment if its something I feel particularly strongly about because there is bound to be strong and vocal opposition here, sometimes I can be bothered, quite often I can't. There are big characters with big personalities. Its kind of sad when it gets personal because, I'm not ashamed to admit, that I have learnt a number of things from this section over the years and have been able to re think my views.on certain issues too. Members shouldnt feel they have to put up or shut up but also have to accept others opinions and views, whether they call them out on them or not.

This thread has become a bit of a mess....Brendan Cox has done wrong as he has admitted, whether he has offended before or since is conjecture and if allegations need investigating I am sure the police are up to the job. Dont really know what else to say on it

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So.
No one should have personal insults, no one should have their professional status or personal status questioned.
I for one have eventually got sick of it.
That's my right.

You it seems from what you say haven't got sick of it, that's your right..

In either case it shouldn't happen, whether people just lie down and let people continually get away with it or if the time comes for others, who decide enough is enough.

Anyway nothing gets done really even if reported so then options run out, so it's likely to give to some what they want in the end.
With the loss of more members and as to people looking in,loss of potential new ones.

You are correct about the reporting, the moderating defo depends who has been reported, time and time again the personal insult towards me remains on the forum for days only deleted when i complain on the forum for all to see....that has happened far to often for it to be a coincidence....so imo...more people have left or will leave or wont join because of one or two moderating bias rather than some lame name calling...if ya give it, you should bloody take it.....and all pre mentioned parties have given plenty in the past...but dont let all that stop you leaving.....if thats what you really plan to do

[Livia]

I had something actually on topic to say about this today. But looking back at the last few pages I think I'll give it a miss.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are above this kind of thing Livia and you know full well you are too. I realise you hate anything and anyone left-of-centre but making these kind of inflammatory comments as you have been for quite some time now is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently.

What a load of nonsense. I have lots of friends in real life, and on here, who are left of centre. The truth is that I can talk to them like grown ups. You don't know me well enough to say the things you have, I've had one conversation with you that I left.... and you followed me on to my wall to continue lambasting me.

I'm surprised your post was allowed to stay.... if these are off=topic and personal comments I don't know what is.

This is a Big Brother forum. I don't come here for this sh1t. I have enough drama in my real life. If you can't discuss things like an adult, put me on ignore, I implore you.

[LeatherTrumpet]

"is not conducive to the productive discourse that you, I and many others have been trying to restore in this section recently."


I mean, really, you could not make it up...

[Vicky.]

Remake this thread if anyone wants to keep discussing. I honestly have no idea where to begin with deletions as there has already been a bunch and I cannot even tell where the sniping started Please, if it gets remade do not carry on the same arguments in it though, discuss the actual topic.