[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That is extremely depressing.....

Whats more depressing is that becoming the story....pathetic.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trump needed a cheat sheet to remind him to show empathy.

I wonder... is he heartless and demented or just demented?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I wonder... is he heartless and demented or just demented?

maybe both

[LeatherTrumpet]

why has he got Neems age on his cuff?

[Marches]

Well yeah why can’t a trained teacher have the means to protect herself and her class instead of letting them get shot or attacked?

But ykno **** trump

[Withano]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trump needed a cheat sheet to remind him to show empathy.

Jfc

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why has he got Neems age on his cuff?

Surely its not to remind himself what number president he is.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Marches

Well yeah why can’t a trained teacher have the means to protect herself and her class instead of letting them get shot or attacked?

But ykno **** trump

A few reasons; when professionals fire guns at people, most of the shots don't actually hit the people they're aiming at, so in an environment with mass panic and kids fleeing everywhere you're now adding another gun into the equation which just doesn't make anyone safer.

What happens if a couple of kids decide to overpower a teacher and take their gun from them?

Again, when professionals deal with these situations, they don't just send one person in to fire back, they secure areas and methodically work their way towards the gunmen (any situation not just schools).

What happens if the professionals arriving at the scene just see a person firing/holding a gun and have a split second to make a decision?

They had an armed guard at columbine, they had armed guards in Florida.

But yno **** logic.

[Maru]

I'll just make some points here and bullet it to keep it simpler...

• Several of the laws that people have been talking about in the media already exist. The media and our govt officials know this, and yet they're not mentioning this for some reason?...
  
  
• Some of the laws we do have, are very poorly enforced. For example, felons are not allowed to obtain guns under any condition and yet they find a way, regardless of our knowing about even who has them, the govt does nothing to act on this information... (might also have to do with overcrowded jails and being short-staffed in many agencies)
  
  
• It would be a much simpler political feat as well to at least start with fixing the broken system we currently have. Both sides have already reached this consensus? As there is a enough support there to do so. But for some odd, quite unusual reason they keep asking for bans in lieu of fixing the broken system that's already in use... hmm.
  
  
• Columbine occurred during the assault weapons ban.
  
  
• Actually, a handgun that I own is semi-automatic as are apparently many are (I have learned this since). So banning weapons that fire at high rates of speeds or use high caliber bullets, that's most anything... my handgun is not an AR-15, but it sure manages a high rate of fire for not being one. (I actually prefer revolvers, more accurate and easier to work with)
  
  
• Hence, Virginia Tech being done with two pistols and yet killed more people.
  
  
• Banning bumstocks is nice and all, except you can still make those on your own since. All it is is a piece that you use to easily tap the trigger quicker between pulls. Essentially.
  
  
• Even more home-made solutions will become the reality when 3D printing evolves to be able to work with metal well-enough. Maybe even make entire weapons. Especially compartmentalized systems such as the AR-15, which is basically any combination of parts that you can imagine... it's not all one solid gun. That's why it's so ridiculous popular, is that it's highly customizable and can be tailored for different types of use (including hunting).
  
  
• As for other reasons the AR-15 ban is not going to just change things... here's a short-ish video... to keep my post shorter...
  
  Youtube video

  
  
  
  
• The background checks do need to be more robust. Especially if someone is committed to a facility, then there needs to be a checklist... if that person has a violent history, then they need to be able to prohibit their ability to buy guns up to a certain period (pending approval) not only to prevent them from harming others, but themselves... I'm all about improving these systems. I just don't think bans will stop the wrong people from obtaining weapons...
  
• I did agree with AR-15 age restriction up to a mid 20's (to allow mental illnesses to fully appear)... but after learning that my own handgun can handle a similar rate of fire, it wouldn't make a bit of a difference...
  
  Here is a video...(fast forward to 4minutes to see rate of fire)
  
  Youtube video

  
  
  
  
• Another issue I have, the politicians who are demanding we have more laws, know even less about guns than probably most here as they don't do their research. That's been proven the past few days by many of the stupid things being said in the media...without making my post much too long, let's just say there are things that should be completely banned, but then there are a lot of things that aren't, because of the way stupid laws are written... and it's because they're written by uninformed citizens who only care about scoring political points and know jack all about weapons...
  
  
• Last point, as it's not being discussed at all... gun homicides have actually been cut in half since the 90's... it might be worth looking into the statistics to see if there are other areas we can improve in as well to keep them going down...
  
  Also not surprising given the media's own ignorance...
  
  

So as to the thread topic, I don't disagree with teachers having the ability to arm themselves. It shouldn't be compulsory though, just simply their choice. If the govt is incompetent, which let's be honest govt typically is, then citizens should have every right to protect themselves and each other... this is the moral thing to do, not to pander to rhetoric...

Anyway, we can keep pushing for more laws and more laws, but in the end it won't keep criminals from being able to obtain them and thus citizens should be able to protect themselves. And with as many weapons in the US as there are today and also coming through black market from places like Mexico i.e. drugs, etc, that's a lot to ask of law-abiding citizens I think... whichever way we want to look at it...

[Tom4784]

America was not founded on the right to bear arms, it was an amendment and not even the first one....

[Withano]

Youtube video

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

America was not founded on the right to bear arms, it was an amendment and not even the first one....

If they had proper gun control then there wouldn't be an insane debate about teachers carrying guns .

Has to be the worst idea!, Literally teachers with guns in schools which are supposed to be a safe & nurturing environment. Teachers baring arms will just make the situation a million times worse especially when innocent children are around and I can guarantee they'd be more casualties .

[Marsh.]

So he'd rather try and lessen the number of dead children by having the perpetrator themselves shot sooner by a member of staff in the school itself.

Rather than maybe prevent the shooting altogether by stopping handing assault rifles out like candy.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A few reasons; when professionals fire guns at people, most of the shots don't actually hit the people they're aiming at, so in an environment with mass panic and kids fleeing everywhere you're now adding another gun into the equation which just doesn't make anyone safer.

What happens if a couple of kids decide to overpower a teacher and take their gun from them?

Again, when professionals deal with these situations, they don't just send one person in to fire back, they secure areas and methodically work their way towards the gunmen (any situation not just schools).

What happens if the professionals arriving at the scene just see a person firing/holding a gun and have a split second to make a decision?

They had an armed guard at columbine, they had armed guards in Florida.

But yno **** logic.

At least the teachers would be in the building making it harder for them to run away like say, an armed guard standing at the gates.

[Marches]

If there was better gun control this wouldn’t even be a debate

Ffs America sort out ur gun control stop giving rifles to people that made it obvious af they were gonna do something...l

[LeatherTrumpet]

There was an armed guard at that Florida school but he was too afraid to enter the school


he has resigned


!

[thesheriff443]

The argument about teachers not having guns is like saying the cops should not have guns just a selection of cuddle toys and game consoles to bring the killing to an end.

Someone can tick all the boxes and still end up killing lots of people.

[bitontheslide]

It's much easier to enforce gun control when the effectiveness of using them is reduced. The first priority is surely to protect the vulnerable from harm. Once that is a priority and enforced, the usefulness of having a weapon will be diminished.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

At least the teachers would be in the building making it harder for them to run away like say, an armed guard standing at the gates.

Again, you just willfully ignore the content in order to spew out throw away nonsense. It may add some weight to your ideas if you actually addressed the issues raised and tried to counter them.

It's really easy to talk with such bravado when it's someone else's life. The fact this trained armed guard lost his nerve was a really sad incident, but it happens with trained soldiers too. Personally I'd like to think I'd run in there with my gun and take him out, but this isn't TV and I'm not Jack Bauer. I have no idea how I would react in that situation and neither do you.

Teachers are educators not soldiers and schools are places of learning, not battlefields. If the solution to school shootings is throwing more guns into the mix, rather than taking them away then that just seems insane.

There is no good reason for any civilian to have a gun.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A few reasons; when professionals fire guns at people, most of the shots don't actually hit the people they're aiming at, so in an environment with mass panic and kids fleeing everywhere you're now adding another gun into the equation which just doesn't make anyone safer.

What happens if a couple of kids decide to overpower a teacher and take their gun from them?

Again, when professionals deal with these situations, they don't just send one person in to fire back, they secure areas and methodically work their way towards the gunmen (any situation not just schools).

What happens if the professionals arriving at the scene just see a person firing/holding a gun and have a split second to make a decision?

They had an armed guard at columbine, they had armed guards in Florida.

But yno **** logic.

Also, do teachers actually want to be armed? Has anyone even asked them if they'd be ok with that?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The argument about teachers not having guns is like saying the cops should not have guns just a selection of cuddle toys and game consoles to bring the killing to an end.

Someone can tick all the boxes and still end up killing lots of people.

I'll take "two things that aren't even remotely similar" for Ł500.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The argument about teachers not having guns is like saying the cops should not have guns just a selection of cuddle toys and game consoles to bring the killing to an end.

Someone can tick all the boxes and still end up killing lots of people.

How did you get to that comparison? A teacher is there to teach, that's their job, a Police Officers job is to tackle criminals

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, do teachers actually want to be armed? Has anyone even asked them if they'd be ok with that?

Id imagine a large proportion already have a gun

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id imagine a large proportion already have a gun

That's not what I'm asking and it's also a guess on your part. I'd like to know their actual opinions on the proposal

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, do teachers actually want to be armed? Has anyone even asked them if they'd be ok with that?

Well of course they do. Everyone knows that Mr Davies in 2nd period geography is desperate to pop a cap in a couple of homeboys asses.