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If you don't have kids going to school in America, it actually means nothing to anyone on this forum, we are just chewing the fat.

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In fact you can be as outrageous as you want in this thread because it's all talk and no trousers.
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They're also overlooking something totally fundamental here:

What they're essentially expecting, is for a teacher to aim and fire at someone who is likely to be a student that they have known for years. Now... WW2 stats show that a huge percentage of conscripted SOLDIERS (on both sides) never fired their rifles, or deliberately aimed high, so that they wouldn't actually have to kill anyone. It's one of the reasons that most countries have completely replaced conscription with paid / trained army - because it takes a lot of psychological prep (and a few psychological "tricks") to turn normal people into effective killers.

So basically... there's a very high chance that the vast majority of these "armed teachers" won't actually pull the trigger when it comes down to it, or at the very least, will hesitate for long enough to be shot first.
Yeah well isn't that what happened with the on campus Police guy and he was a trained police officer (incidentally I think the backlash he's getting is disgusting)
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Yeah well isn't that what happened with the on campus Police guy and he was a trained police officer (incidentally I think the backlash he's getting is disgusting)
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Similarities are they had a gun problem, they banned guns and sorted it.
I agree, ban guns and to hell with the gun lobbyists. No - one needs a gun to protect themselves if nobody else has a gun.
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What happens when the Teacher panics in the chaos and accidentally shoot the wrong person? Or, if there's a misunderstanding and a teacher shoots someone they perceive to be a threat when they aren't? It happens enough with trained officers in America, is giving untrained teachers who aren't likely mentally prepared for that kind of situation a gun really the best idea?
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I don't think teachers is a particularly good idea but armed guards/police are. This also isn't only about guns, its about America breeding generations of people that think their only course of action is to go shoot up a school. Why isn't there more focus on that side of things too
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You wouldn’t do a shooting if u thought u would die before u got to kill anyone even these psychopaths know that
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I agree, ban guns and to hell with the gun lobbyists. No - one needs a gun to protect themselves if nobody else has a gun.
Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore
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Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore
Trust me! You are not alone.
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If you don't have kids going to school in America, it actually means nothing to anyone on this forum, we are just chewing the fat.
Well, if discussing news and world events/politics was predicated on what actually involves us, SD would be a very empty place.
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Other means of killing people exist?
You'd be hard pressed to find another weapon that can cause massacres on the scale of guns.
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Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore
A science-based liberal country (leftist ideal world escapistan), based on the ideas and writings of people like Thomas Paine and Voltaire has never actually existed, so we have no way to know how it would pan out.

I think it's fairly clear that the world is in a bit of a mess right now, so we can keep moving further and further to the right, or we can try to inject some common sense and rationality into the discussion.

I do think the most illuminating aspect of this thread is the fact that we have many people explaining why it's a bat**** crazy idea, and then we have the other side of the discussion not really offering any type of counter other than give them more guns and money, with a few ridiculous one sentence idioms thrown in for good measure.
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Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore
People who view the world differently to you are "idiots"? Well aren't you a ray of sunshine.

"Don't like the look of guns" yeah, that's the one. Nothing to do with the absolutely disgusting loss of life that could've easily been avoided in another situation.
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Other means of killing people exist?

But yeah let’s unarm the law obiding citizens because some people don’t like the look of guns so that criminals have an easier time whisk we sit here hide in a cupboard and wait for the police to arrive

Like ffs this forum is full of leftist ideal world escapist idiots that are trying to propose ideas that only work in the ideal world they created I can’t deal with this anymore
How many USA school kids get murdered per year with guns compared to the UK and other European countries? The USA should have the same gun laws as we do. How many law abiding citizens in the UK do you know that owns a gun?

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How many USA school kids get murdered per year with guns compared to the UK and other European countries? The USA should have the same gun laws as we do. How many law abiding citizens in the UK do you know that owns a gun?
I hope people realise Trump even expects school kids to be armed , that's what he means when he says "kids should protect themselves" . And he thinks if teachers have concealed guns then everything will be ok he's a crazy lunatic!! .

It's so easy to scape goat this police campus guy as well, poor guy has resigned . He was 1 person and I bet if he intervened people would still slag him down or he'd lose his life .
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I hope people realise Trump even expects school kids to be armed , that's what he means when he says "kids should protect themselves" . And he thinks if teachers have concealed guns then everything will be ok he's a crazy lunatic!! .

It's so easy to scape goat this police campus guy as well, poor guy has resigned . He was 1 person and I bet if he intervened people would still slag him down or he'd lose his life .
He's a nice deflection for them though blame him instead of looking at the gun laws
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The whole thing is like some black mirror episode... it's just so bizarre I'm just waiting everyday for the next crazy thing to happen :/
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You'd be hard pressed to find another weapon that can cause massacres on the scale of guns.
Il thrown in a bomb.
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Yeah a common thing to be carried around and sold to the general public with laws giving everyone the right to own one.

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Im sure the gun carrying teacher will have been well vetted, and trained.
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Just like the all the other guns they hand out in America eh?
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