[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There you go misunderstanding yet again. Cis doesn't refer to women. Cis is the name for anyone who is not trans, man or woman. It doesn't marginalise them anymore than "heterosexual" does.

So? Is whether Kizzy cares or not a barometer for whether we can post or not? It's not your thread.

No you can post whatever you like as can I....

There you go mansplaining again, along with your usual dose of mockery you have ignored my point entirely here which was there is no need for prefix... A woman that is not a transwoman is a woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No you can post whatever you like as can I....

There you go mansplaining again, along with your usual dose of mockery you have ignored my point entirely here which was there is no need for prefix... A woman that is not a transwoman is a woman.

Ignoring that the prefix also applies to men.

There's no mansplaining Kizzy, you're twisting the truth in order to offend yourself.

You still haven't said why "cis" marginalises women and every other prefix doesn't?

[Kizzy]

I'm out of here too, you be a cisman if you like...you don't hear that term banded round much I see though

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm out of here too, you be a cisman if you like...you don't hear that term banded round much I see though

You don't hear cis banded around much at all. Except when you venture into trans-discussions. Funny that.

You don't really help your cause throwing words around like "mansplaining" as though just because I happen to be male and you happen to be female, I must be mansplaining.

If the marginalisation of women is something you take great issue with, you don't do yourself any favours marginalising yourself where you don't need to.

[Twosugars]

Marsh & Jamie89 - respect

Kizzy, would it be ok for a straight man to protest and call himself simply a man? Coz he is not gay so while a gay man is a gay man he is a man, meaning a normal man?

[Twosugars]

Dunno if there's much fuss about the term cis outside of tibb, but if there is the maybe find something less controversial, even if clumsier, like nontrans?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Dunno if there's much fuss about the term cis outside of tibb, but if there is the maybe find something less controversial, even if clumsier, like nontrans?

It's still trans-related, so therefore an issue.

[Livia]

Kizzy and I almost never agree, but I have to say I'm 100% behind her on this one.

[Marsh.]

Why?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why?

Because I feel the same way that she does about this subject.

Edit: and having skimmed the thread, I'm also totally in agreement with Niamh and Vicky.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's still trans-related, so therefore an issue.

don't understand it, but ok.
personally don't have a problem with that as it'd be used in trans-related discussions only, I imagine
and it is nicely symetric reminiscent of chemical isomers

Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of", which means the opposite of trans-, meaning "across from" or "on the other side of"
wikipedia def.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because I feel the same way that she does about this subject.

No, I meant why do you feel "cis" marginalises women?

Nobody else has actually explained the reasoning behind this and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

don't understand it, but ok.
personally don't have a problem with that as it'd be used in trans-related discussions only, I imagine
and it is nicely symetric reminiscent of chemical isomers

Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of", which means the opposite of trans-, meaning "across from" or "on the other side of"
wikipedia def.

Exactly. But if someone is determined to be offended, they'll be offended.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, I meant why do you feel "cis" marginalises women?

Nobody else has actually explained the reasoning behind this and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

I've never heard it, I don't need it and I don't want it. I'm a heterosexual woman. That's all you need to know.

Some people like to pigeon-hole others. I hate that. I particularly hate it when it's a pigeon hole that's been made up on the spot and which I do not recognise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've never heard it, I don't need it and I don't want it. I'm a heterosexual woman. That's all you need to know.

Some people like to pigeon-hole others. I hate that. I particularly hate it when it's a pigeon hole that's been made up on the spot and which I do not recognise.

It's not pigeon-holing, it's a description. Much like heterosexual. Or white. Or British. Or blonde. Or gay. Or catholic.

So, why the issue with cis and not heterosexual?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not pigeon-holing, it's a description. Much like heterosexual. Or white. Or British. Or blonde. Or gay. Or catholic.

So, why the issue with cis and not heterosexual?

I don't know where the term comes from nor what it means.

Why the issue with heterosexual? Because that's what I am, not what the trans community decided I should be.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. But if someone is determined to be offended, they'll be offended.

True.

I had no idea before reading this convo, but it looks like women feel somehow threatened in all this. I don't pretend to undestand why, can only guess.

Could it be that women feel protective of their gender identity and hard fought-for rights and see transgender as another encroachment into their domain by men?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know where the term comes from nor what it means.

Why the issue with heterosexual? Because that's what I am, not what the trans community decided I should be.

The trans community decided you're not a transperson?

If you don't know what it means, why have you automatically taken offence to it? That seems rather silly.

[Twosugars]

I wonder if before gay rights people objected the same way? I'm not a hetersexual man, I'm a man, simple as.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I wonder if before gay rights people objected the same way? I'm not a hetersexual man, I'm a man, simple as.

well plenty people prefer not to talk about what type of sex they like


i would be like if someone introduced themselves in such a rude manner

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well plenty people prefer not to talk about what type of sex they like


i would be like if someone introduced themselves in such a rude manner

Well, since when does someone knowing your sexuality mean they suddenly know how you like it in bed?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The trans community decided you're not a transperson?

If you don't know what it means, why have you automatically taken offence to it? That seems rather silly.

No, the trans community decided I should have a different description to the one I've always lived with. It's not their place, nor yours, to decide what I should be happy to be called.

No, what's seems rather silly is that someone else has decided I should be classes as cis and I'm telling you I am heterosexual and not willing to accept made up terms by groups of people I am not a part of.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, since when does someone knowing your sexuality mean they suddenly know how you like it in bed?

have you ever been introduced as Marshall the heterosexual?

id say never?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well plenty people prefer not to talk about what type of sex they like


i would be like if someone introduced themselves in such a rude manner

I agree. That's the whole point. Such terms are not used in everyday life, but only in discussions about sexuality. I'd imagine the term cis would also be only used in specific cases.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

True.

I had no idea before reading this convo, but it looks like women feel somehow threatened in all this. I don't pretend to undestand why, can only guess.

Could it be that women feel protective of their gender identity and hard fought-for rights and see transgender as another encroachment into their domain by men?

Yes, exactly that. And now I have to accept someone who's been a man for fifty years and decided now's the right time to dress as a woman and tell me I have a new label. Cis.

It's like the media running a story about the first British woman on the front line and what a coup for women. Turned out it was a man, he'd been a man all through his training, all through his service and in Afghanistan decided he wanted to be a woman. That is not the first woman on the front line.