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08-04-2018, 08:47 AM | #51 | |||
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08-04-2018, 09:27 AM | #52 | |||
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We still have stop and search police patrolling London.
The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-hi...bbing-11317084 He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions. May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles. The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent. Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010
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08-04-2018, 09:31 AM | #53 | |||
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To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.
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Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?
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08-04-2018, 09:58 AM | #55 | |||
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We should have more police on the streets, particularly in certain areas of East and South London, with stop and search powers, complaints be damned.
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Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding. There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here! This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it? |
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08-04-2018, 10:20 AM | #57 | |||
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I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?
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08-04-2018, 10:47 AM | #59 | |||
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So any suggestions for trying to solve this problem?
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08-04-2018, 10:53 AM | #60 | ||
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So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime, that comes from our taxes, rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place - not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC. Last edited by Brillopad; 08-04-2018 at 11:05 AM. |
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Sadiq Khan has probably been the most pro-active contributor in all of this mess and so I refuse to hang draw and quarter him if he didn't visit the places where these people were murdered.
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Realistic and reasonable human rights are here to stay, as they should be, but the ridiculous ones such as those mentioned above can be discarded once we leave the EU along with such criminals themselves who we would not have to have here in the first place. |
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08-04-2018, 08:08 PM | #67 | |||
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And there was me believing lawyers spent their careers enforcing human rights!!
So lets look at The Human Rights Act. An act that had to conform with EU legislation. Clearly this terrible act is not all to do with criminals. The right to life. The prohibition of torture and inhuman treatment. Protection against slavery and forced labour. The right to liberty and freedom unless you commit a criminal act. The right to a fair trial and no punishment without law. Respect for privacy and family life and the right to marry. Freedom of thought, religion and belief. Free speech and peaceful protest. No discrimination. Protection of property: protects against state interference with your possessions. The right to an education. The right to free elections.
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08-04-2018, 08:22 PM | #68 | ||
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08-04-2018, 09:09 PM | #69 | |||
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[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9949438]You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes. ^ I've read and re-read Brillo's post and NOWHERE in the excerpt which you have quoted and responded to above does it give you ANY justification for drawing the above conclusions which you have.* It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree? ^ ^ Do you mean 2010, when the INEPT, UNSCRUPULOUS, SELF-SEEKING GLUTTONOUS PIGS which was the OUTGOING LABOUR Government had LIAM BYRNE leave a handwritten note to his successor saying:* "‘Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam.’ " Meaning the NATION'S COFFERS were EMPTY.* The cavalier smug BASTARD.* Do you mean THEN?* WHEN the Coalition was faced with the impossible task of RUNNING this Labour-Decimated country WITH NO MONEY?* Are you referring to the cuts in the Policing Budget which Cameron was FORCED to make as part of sweeping cutbacks to try to ARREST the damage LABOUR had wreaked upon the Country?* That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work. ^**You are FOREVER telling other intelligent, well-read, well-informed, and literate members WHAT you DECREE that they DON'T know and how MUCH you DO know - on just about EVERY subject under the Sun.* So PLEASE do us ALL a favour and YOU PROVE to US just what you DO know instead of merely telling us that you know it.* How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now? ^ Again, there is NOTHING in that part of Brillo's post which you have quoted and responded to which JUSTIFIES your conclusions above. Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime? ^ NO ONE objects to Human Rights, only THE MASSIVE ABUSE by UNSCRUPULOUS lawyers and SUBVERSIVE ORGANISATIONS which take advantage of the ludicrous drafting of the WORDING of the Act to allow MURDERERS and TERRORISTS and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and FOREIGN CRIMINALS to ESCAPE PROPER JUSTICE for their CRIMES.* And it is WITHOUT EXCEPTION bleeding-heart Liberal and Left Wing BRITISH SOFTIES which SUPPORT these subversives and thereby ALLOW the Act to be ABUSED.* Think of the Lord Longford type as he was with Myra 'Nice Reformed Girl' Hyndley - You'll get the picture. As for Brillo's point about the 'little cell' you have OBVIOUSLY MISSED that point. If Political Correctness AND the abuse of THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT did not make life so EASY for prisoners then the DETERRENT element of a Prison Sentence just MIGHT have some positive effect on RISING CRIME. /QUOTE]
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...report-reveals
Government cuts to the police “may have encouraged” violent offenders and have “likely contributed” to a rise in serious violent crime, leaked Home Office documents have revealed. The documents cast doubt on claims by the home secretary, Amber Rudd, on Sunday that cuts to the police were not to blame for rising violence. The Home Office said it would not comment on leaked documents.
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09-04-2018, 07:10 AM | #73 | |||
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If there is cuts being made to the Police then sadly I do think that it makes it easier for people to commit crimes as they think that they'll get away with it sadly.
I think that we need more Prisons built as well so that criminals aren't being let out on the streets again because our Prisons are "full."
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