[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If she was banned for the comments she made to me; she responded to perfectly civil posts in a conversation she wasn't actually involved in, essentially called me stupid in an aggressive manner, and then also followed it up with another aggressive post...

Its not even that I don't "get it", clearly something I had said in another thread at another time has irritated her (probably multiple threads) but it still doesn't really validate direct personal attacks... Which were certainly unprovoked... Because she was responding to posts that weren't even directed at her and that were totally non-confrontational (more specifically, the posts were about the fact that I try to understand criminals because I find human psychology interesting ).

It's not the first time either; Livia has directly attacked me / suggested that I'm "not clever" based on what I do for a living before, too. She has a personal desire to "take me down a peg", I think. And I mean... I don't even particularly care... Like I said on the thread, I'm a big boy and I'm not insecure about my intelligence. I didn't report her, I wouldn't have wanted her banned, I like Livia when she's not mad at me but personal attacks like that are plainly against the rules so...

First Dezzy discusses my bans and infractions quite openly on the forum while I'm not here. And now... TS has done the same. No infraction, I bet, despite the fact that I came on here last night and asked for TS’s post to be removed and gave the reasons why. But no, it remains. There have either been no mods on at all, or one.

We all thought something was going to change for a minute there didn’t we, that all of us who come here every day, click the stupid advert, support the place, may get a positive reaction to what is a serious problem on this forum… but no. We’ve been ignored… and the unsustainable madness continues.

I am taking a break, but I will be back. I want to see if anything’s changed. I'm not holding my breath.

And just for the record, because I’d hate Marshy to be mad at me… and because TS has brought it up himself in this thread so can hardly object to me responding. My comment about TS’s being stupid because of the job he does… He had been busy mansplaining about how his opinion was exact and I saying how I should “think about it” and how “It’s quite simple Livia…” you know how he goes. And I said “Yes TS, we all know that. You don’t have to work in a bookies to know”. It was a response to his often smug, patronising responses. Similarly in my latest post that took me into a ban, I said “I know you think there is no room for error in any of your opinions, but let me tell you... you are not THAT clever. Everyone on here can understand the grey areas, it's not just you”.

I’m not reading any more of Kizzy’s poison, or DR’s frantic nonsense, and now TS is on the list too. Sad… we got on okay most of the time, if a little scratchy when he patronised me and I respond, but we had a mutual respect, I think. Of course that’s before he imagined this was all about him and took the huge liberty of discussing me and my infractions here.

I feel quite justified in this post, let’s see how long it stays, or when the infraction lands.

And finally, yes, I’ve lately had a huge issue with this thread, and I have been shocked and quite disgusted at some of the comments. (TS said it wasn’t about this thread, it is… he doesn’t speak for me, ever). For the record, no one can tell me when to feel aggrieved. It’s not anyone else’s call.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The name change thing wasn't our idea. And that was not meant to be all either but James has been very busy.

Staying out of this this time, besides pointing out that.

We're ALL very busy, Vicky, James has a responsibility.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're ALL very busy, Vicky, James has a responsibility.

I second that Liv!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

First Dezzy discusses my bans and infractions quite openly on the forum while I'm not here. And now... TS has done the same. No infraction, I bet, despite the fact that I came on here last night and asked for TS’s post to be removed and gave the reasons why. But no, it remains. There have either been no mods on at all, or one.

We all thought something was going to change for a minute there didn’t we, that all of us who come here every day, click the stupid advert, support the place, may get a positive reaction to what is a serious problem on this forum… but no. We’ve been ignored… and the unsustainable madness continues.

I am taking a break, but I will be back. I want to see if anything’s changed. I'm not holding my breath.

And just for the record, because I’d hate Marshy to be mad at me… and because TS has brought it up himself in this thread so can hardly object to me responding. My comment about TS’s being stupid because of the job he does… He had been busy mansplaining about how his opinion was exact and I saying how I should “think about it” and how “It’s quite simple Livia…” you know how he goes. And I said “Yes TS, we all know that. You don’t have to work in a bookies to know”. It was a response to his often smug, patronising responses. Similarly in my latest post that took me into a ban, I said “I know you think there is no room for error in any of your opinions, but let me tell you... you are not THAT clever. Everyone on here can understand the grey areas, it's not just you”.

I’m not reading any more of Kizzy’s poison, or DR’s frantic nonsense, and now TS is on the list too. Sad… we got on okay most of the time, if a little scratchy when he patronised me and I respond, but we had a mutual respect, I think. Of course that’s before he imagined this was all about him and took the huge liberty of discussing me and my infractions here.

I feel quite justified in this post, let’s see how long it stays, or when the infraction lands.

And finally, yes, I’ve lately had a huge issue with this thread, and I have been shocked and quite disgusted at some of the comments. (TS said it wasn’t about this thread, it is… he doesn’t speak for me, ever). For the record, no one can tell me when to feel aggrieved. It’s not anyone else’s call.

The whole thing clearly got blown out of all proportion as is usual on here. Personally I believe there was more behind the ban (about a dozen of us or so know what I mean) than any comments you made in your posts that pale into insignificance to many on here and were reactionary. Same ol, same ol!

Take care Liv. I may see you when you come back, but then again I may not if you get my meaning.

[Marsh.]

Bloody Livia!!!

Welcome to the Frequent Ban Club!

A free balloon and a bottle of your favourite beverage for new members.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Bloody Livia!!!

Welcome to the Frequent Ban Club!

A free balloon and a bottle of your favourite beverage for new members.

And 15 minutes in the cupboard with its eldest member.

[parmnion]

James needs to grow a pair and do the right thing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

First Dezzy discusses my bans and infractions quite openly on the forum while I'm not here. And now... TS has done the same. No infraction, I bet, despite the fact that I came on here last night and asked for TS’s post to be removed and gave the reasons why. But no, it remains. There have either been no mods on at all, or one.

We all thought something was going to change for a minute there didn’t we, that all of us who come here every day, click the stupid advert, support the place, may get a positive reaction to what is a serious problem on this forum… but no. We’ve been ignored… and the unsustainable madness continues.

I am taking a break, but I will be back. I want to see if anything’s changed. I'm not holding my breath.

And just for the record, because I’d hate Marshy to be mad at me… and because TS has brought it up himself in this thread so can hardly object to me responding. My comment about TS’s being stupid because of the job he does… He had been busy mansplaining about how his opinion was exact and I saying how I should “think about it” and how “It’s quite simple Livia…” you know how he goes. And I said “Yes TS, we all know that. You don’t have to work in a bookies to know”. It was a response to his often smug, patronising responses. Similarly in my latest post that took me into a ban, I said “I know you think there is no room for error in any of your opinions, but let me tell you... you are not THAT clever. Everyone on here can understand the grey areas, it's not just you”.

I’m not reading any more of Kizzy’s poison, or DR’s frantic nonsense, and now TS is on the list too. Sad… we got on okay most of the time, if a little scratchy when he patronised me and I respond, but we had a mutual respect, I think. Of course that’s before he imagined this was all about him and took the huge liberty of discussing me and my infractions here.

I feel quite justified in this post, let’s see how long it stays, or when the infraction lands.

And finally, yes, I’ve lately had a huge issue with this thread, and I have been shocked and quite disgusted at some of the comments. (TS said it wasn’t about this thread, it is… he doesn’t speak for me, ever). For the record, no one can tell me when to feel aggrieved. It’s not anyone else’s call.

Promise you will come back Livia, don't get pushed off here like lots of others have been ,how on earth did TS get away with making these assumptions about you and putting words into your mouth and even going as far as deciding what you were thinking ? Oh yes Ive just realised why, the same reason lots of other gang members get away with stuff ,they have a mod in their pocket !!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

First Dezzy discusses my bans and infractions quite openly on the forum while I'm not here. And now... TS has done the same. No infraction, I bet, despite the fact that I came on here last night and asked for TS’s post to be removed and gave the reasons why. But no, it remains. There have either been no mods on at all, or one.

We all thought something was going to change for a minute there didn’t we, that all of us who come here every day, click the stupid advert, support the place, may get a positive reaction to what is a serious problem on this forum… but no. We’ve been ignored… and the unsustainable madness continues.

I am taking a break, but I will be back. I want to see if anything’s changed. I'm not holding my breath.

And just for the record, because I’d hate Marshy to be mad at me… and because TS has brought it up himself in this thread so can hardly object to me responding. My comment about TS’s being stupid because of the job he does… He had been busy mansplaining about how his opinion was exact and I saying how I should “think about it” and how “It’s quite simple Livia…” you know how he goes. And I said “Yes TS, we all know that. You don’t have to work in a bookies to know”. It was a response to his often smug, patronising responses. Similarly in my latest post that took me into a ban, I said “I know you think there is no room for error in any of your opinions, but let me tell you... you are not THAT clever. Everyone on here can understand the grey areas, it's not just you”.

I’m not reading any more of Kizzy’s poison, or DR’s frantic nonsense, and now TS is on the list too. Sad… we got on okay most of the time, if a little scratchy when he patronised me and I respond, but we had a mutual respect, I think. Of course that’s before he imagined this was all about him and took the huge liberty of discussing me and my infractions here.

I feel quite justified in this post, let’s see how long it stays, or when the infraction lands.

And finally, yes, I’ve lately had a huge issue with this thread, and I have been shocked and quite disgusted at some of the comments. (TS said it wasn’t about this thread, it is… he doesn’t speak for me, ever). For the record, no one can tell me when to feel aggrieved. It’s not anyone else’s call.

Livia, I am totally with you on this one. The disgust at some posts on this thread and the failure to resolve any of the problems in general are just too much to shrug off and carry on. Who needs it? I'm taking a break myself. But I hope there are changes and you come back soon Livia, you are at the heart of SD.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

James needs to grow a pair and do the right thing.

He sure does Parmy ,Im sick of having IMPORTANT messages ignored, if he's " too busy" he should hand the reins over to someone not so busy as they have to ignore several members complaints and requests

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i honestly thought things were going to change, but it seems to have been just words to placate until the dust settled

Its up to us to make sure the dust doesn't settle and get brushed under the carpet

[Toy Soldier]

I can accept that you find me patronising Livia, I can be patronising and I am generally quite sure of myself (though I don't think my opinions are "exact" at all, and try to take many opinions on board from many varieties of member). It still doesn't really justify direct personal attacks, in my opinion.

Discussing infractions... I'm not a mod so I'm not really inclined to avoid discussing them. I don't mind if the posts are removed though.

Other than that all I can really say is that I have zero interest in any sort of ongoing "feud", I honestly DO understand getting frustrated with this place, but when it comes down to it (no offense intended to staff) it's really just not worth it?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He sure does Parmy ,Im sick of having IMPORTANT messages ignored, if he's " too busy" he should hand the reins over to someone not so busy as they have to ignore several members complaints and requests

I know a mod who does bugger all half the time

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And 15 minutes in the cupboard with its eldest member.

LT doesn't let anybody else in.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Promise you will come back Livia, don't get pushed off here like lots of others have been ,how on earth did TS get away with making these assumptions about you and putting words into your mouth and even going as far as deciding what you were thinking ? Oh yes Ive just realised why, the same reason lots of other gang members get away with stuff ,they have a mod in their pocket !!

I've done nothing but piss mods off lately and had a 24h ban less than a month ago, chuff.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've done nothing but piss mods off lately and had a 24h ban less than a month ago, chuff.

Your mate must have gone out for the night when you received your ban

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Your mate must have gone out for the night when you received your ban

Or the mod bias (which I still believe exists and has existed, and spent several threads pointing out a few weeks back) has far more to do with the topics being discussed, than which members are discussing it.

Any "mod bias" that worked in my favour, if there was any, evaporated as soon as I was on "the wrong side of the discussion". Likewise, members who usually express feeling targeted fall under the protective bubble as soon as their views align with mods.

Prime example; Brillo is "at risk" when discussing Islam, but "safe" when discussing feminist issues.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or the mod bias (which I still believe exists and has existed, and spent several threads pointing out a few weeks back) has far more to do with the topics being discussed, than which members are discussing it.

Any "mod bias" that worked in my favour, if there was any, evaporated as soon as I was on "the wrong side of the discussion". Likewise, members who usually express feeling targeted fall under the protective bubble as soon as their views align with mods.

Prime example; Brillo is "at risk" when discussing Islam, but "safe" when discussing feminist issues.

Why bring Brillo into things ?

[Smithy]

Well I think it’s safe to say this thread has gone off topic

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or the mod bias (which I still believe exists and has existed, and spent several threads pointing out a few weeks back) has far more to do with the topics being discussed, than which members are discussing it.

Any "mod bias" that worked in my favour, if there was any, evaporated as soon as I was on "the wrong side of the discussion". Likewise, members who usually express feeling targeted fall under the protective bubble as soon as their views align with mods.

Prime example; Brillo is "at risk" when discussing Islam, but "safe" when discussing feminist issues.

Didn't realise that it should be "unsafe" to discuss feminist issues but whatever.

Sick to death of this place myself

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Well I think it’s safe to say this thread has gone off topic

Going to try to get it closed down now then. No doubt it will get back on topic if people don’t try to shut down threads not to their liking.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Going to try to get it closed down now then. No doubt it will get back on topic if people don’t try to shut down threads not to their liking.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why bring Brillo into things ?

It wasn't even in a negative way? Stop looking for fights

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It wasn't even in a negative way? Stop looking for fights

Im far from looking for fights, Im trying to stop them !

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He sure does Parmy ,Im sick of having IMPORTANT messages ignored, if he's " too busy" he should hand the reins over to someone not so busy as they have to ignore several members complaints and requests

James doesn't have to adhere to any "requests".