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13-04-2018, 07:01 PM | #26 | |||
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i understand it tbh
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14-04-2018, 03:56 PM | #27 | |||
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Racism should be stopped at every doorway. But for whatever reason, the university doors open to those who spread the above, but close it for others who would otherwise oppose (i.e. conservative, libertarian speakers, etc)... racism is still acceptable in our mainstream, as long as it's towards the group that it deems acceptable... that has still not changed... is what this work actually reinforces. Also, to critique it's artistic credibility.. if you need an accompanying word document to delicately explain it's meaning and actual interpretation because it can't be understood in the original work, then this piece is a failure. There is almost no innovation to a sign. At best, it's Graphic Design... but it's artistic value is down to it's "shock value"... which actually doesn't shock anything, it stealthily reintroduces racist rhetoric onto campuses. If this piece were from a Neo-Nazi or some other non-negotiable political entity, then we would not be debating it's artistic and cultural merits. (Edit) In fact, it would fall under hate speech laws in certain jurisdictions and we would be deconstructing it's narrative and questioning it's actual underlining motives. I truly dislike when contemporary art in this way used as a propaganda tool to fluff up a concept to be more "mysterious" and "content heavy" than it actually is... it's very poorly thought through. TLDR: Young kids can get away with these faux paux because we all assume because they're young, they're "entitled" to stupidity and it is treated as them simply "expressing themselves". There used to be a higher standard in collegiate environments. I do feel the educational and intellectual standard has been eroded to a large degree from where it used to be, partially so that this type of propaganda and intellectual "dissent" can easily filter through without any opposing proposition or narrative... who better to use as an ideological weapon than a university student. They can get away with a great deal of many things without negative consequences that us average folk across society just couldn't do without risking our job or their livelihood... and that's where the contention here lies. Anyway, I don't mean to target your post specifically, Jamie, but you bring up an excellent question and it was a good spring board for my thoughts... what could be the problem with art stretching beyond our cultural boundaries? Great question. I think in this case, a vehicle decal or bumper sticker has more intrinsic creative value than this particular piece... whoever came up with this failed massively to promote any kind of meaningful narrative with their work. It only reinforces what both sides already believe... whether they are for or against the narrative of "white privilege"... but discourse on campus (hence the piece saying "off our campus")... is generally accepted when it is one direction only, so I'm not hopeful that it will generate a new kind of meaningful interest or dialogue. *Edit - A point I forgot to bring into my post earlier. Last edited by Maru; 15-04-2018 at 12:58 AM. |
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15-04-2018, 11:24 AM | #28 | |||
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And if addressing racism from a specific perspective (from white people as a class towards non white people) is a racist thing to do, then wouldn't addressing antisemitism be as well, since that would also exclude other forms of racism from the conversation? If someone put a mural up saying 'dismantle antisemitism' would that be as bad as this one since it doesn't include all types of racism? And the mural also refers to 'misogyny' rather than 'sexism', is that sexist of them because it excludes the sexism that might be directed from women towards men? People don't seem to have taken issue with that aspect of it. The whole thing is about power structure/class systems, and whether you believe they exist or not is open to debate, but what I don't get personally is why the debate happening in the first place is such an terrible thing. I don't find it racist just to want to address that stuff, or even address it in a way that doesn't include all types of racism/sexism etc - looking at it from a specific perspective doesn't mean that people have to deny other perspectives exist. Quote:
Artistic merit I suppose is very subjective. Personally I like their choice of the word 'dismantle'. Something like 'End Whiteness' for example wouldn't look great but dismantle to me is more about analysing it, looking at the structure of it and how it's been built etc, which I think fits with what they're claiming the purpose to be.
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15-04-2018, 11:48 AM | #29 | |||
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I understand the university allowing it to be displayed. I wouldn't protest it if it were a latter group. But my "history" teacher had us fill up a glass display case full of our trash at home with cheesy marker drawings in order to "teach" environmentalism... I do think that's too banal for university. We should be enforcing a higher intellectual standard when it comes to our works/contributes in the college setting... filling up a display box with trash, going to pick weeds out in the field, running around angrily chanting pro- this /anti-this when many of the students are holding signs they themselves have not made, much less understand... that's not what the university setting used to be. Those are things that we do in elementary/middle school, create project boards with one-liners to show their class they understand virtue signaling (which is appropriate here) and how it can positively motivate people to think a little bit harder about those things. But in the university setting, all that should go by the wayside and it should be grueling in terms of pushing your ability to critical think and force young people to challenge their predispositions... but of course, should and are are two totally different things. Last edited by Maru; 15-04-2018 at 12:07 PM. |
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15-04-2018, 12:06 PM | #30 | |||
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