[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Wonder why there was no balloon for Tayyip Erdogan, I don't agree with balloons as I think it detracts from meaningful demonstration, but lets have a balloon for everyone if this is the way we are going.

I find points like this to be flawed. People are free to protest what they choose to protest, you can't try to smear or invalidate it by saying 'well, why aren't you protesting THIS!' Because ultimately, this is the issue of Trump and people's displeasure of having to host and likely rely on his government when Brexit goes through. People are entitled to protest what they are opposed to.

[Oliver_W]

Even Owen Jones marched against state visits from islamic leaders, let's not pretend they get ignored or endorsed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I find points like this to be flawed. People are free to protest what they choose to protest, you can't try to smear or invalidate it by saying 'well, why aren't you protesting THIS!' Because ultimately, this is the issue of Trump and people's displeasure of having to host and likely rely on his government when Brexit goes through. People are entitled to protest what they are opposed to.

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Maybe he'll be loved in Scotland? Maybe LT will wave the flag?
LT show us the figures, how loved is he in Scotland?

His mum is scottish and he is an employer here

[LeatherTrumpet]

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

Singled out? Trump is the only person to have protesters?

Well that's a new one.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

Not really, you're just trying to undercut a right to protest here.

People can go out and protest whatever they please, they don't need to fulfil a list of prerequisites in order to validate their protest in the eyes of their detractors who will look for any reason to do so.

It's just a way of avoiding the issue, why talk about why people are protesting when you can smear them for not protesting other issues? It's just an attempt to silence voices people don't agree with.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

I can't believe I voted for this muppet

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

His mum is scottish and he is an employer here

But how popular is he? What are the actual figures?
I seem to remember there were some complaints over his investments there, you know standard trump stuff like bullying and broken promises?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's not the point.
Security would never allow it.
Bush junior was kept well away from protests too.
Trump said he felt unwelcome in London so he got the message

And what has it actually achieved other than he wasn't welcome by some people loads of money also wasted on this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, you're just trying to undercut a right to protest here.

People can go out and protest whatever they please, they don't need to fulfil a list of prerequisites in order to validate their protest in the eyes of their detractors who will look for any reason to do so.

It's just a way of avoiding the issue, why talk about why people are protesting when you can smear them for not protesting other issues? It's just an attempt to silence voices people don't agree with.

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't believe I voted for this muppet

Off with your head Cherie !!!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

in any form of protest you have to target where they are likely to have the greatest effect.

Targeting the turkish president wont have any effect, his countries people would probably never see it .... or care given how they voted

The USA president here is a world wide spotlight, so any protest will have a bigger impact.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

But what's the point of protesting China? Nobody in China is going to know it happened and ultimately it won't change anything. Turkey won't be affected much by it either, the best way to protest Turkey would probably be a tourism boycott rather than a protest. It'd be pointless to do a protest like this in regards to those countries.

Protesting the US is different though, Trump's gonna get attention wherever he goes and these protests have gained media attention because of it. Trump relenting from going to London because of the protests will ultimately hurt his image and make him look more like the baby afraid of criticism that's been flying around London.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

Really when was the last time something like this that needed permission was used in a protest, genuine question as I don't recall

obviously I know about posters etc, I really am not that dumb

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

Yes,surely those people who don't agree with the protest and balloon also have the right to voice it, as we are,but some are getting annoyed over it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I swear that most of the things in LOndon are so expensive that people will literally go to anything if its free

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

You do realise that trump is so scared to be challenged, that he only ever talks to fox news pravda?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You do realise that trump is so scared to be challenged, that he only ever talks to fox news pravda?

well i watched his last main news conference and he took calls from about 50 different media so that is not correct

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well i watched his last main news conference and he took calls from about 50 different media so that is not correct

A news conference on foreign soil is not something you can dictate, and it is not an interview. It is absolutely correct and you know it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

I think that such childish protests simply give the image of those doing it as extreme and childish and are less likely to get taken seriously. They undermine their cause and make others think 'who wants to be associated with that bunch of idiots!' Not a good look!

[arista]

President Trump and PM MAY
are Live on all media

Her written speech is the same old thing

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I swear that most of the things in LOndon are so expensive that people will literally go to anything if its free

Yes just seen some in Birmingham getting on coaches for their day out,

[arista]

PM has limited the Press to 4 questions each.

The PM just said we will be able to trade with USA
The BBC reporter Laura
claimed that we would not
be able to do.