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20-03-2018, 11:20 AM | #301 | ||
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My input to this thread ended two days ago. However, I will reply when I get notifications that my posts are being responded to and people are saying I have said things I never did. Kindly do one. |
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20-03-2018, 11:21 AM | #302 | ||
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20-03-2018, 11:33 AM | #303 | |||
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This is beginning to smack of something else to marginalise women, I remember the backlash Germaine Greer got when she refused to acknowledge transfemales as women.
It was revolting and I felt conflicted because I felt exactly the same as her, I fully believe that womanhood is a whole life experience encompassing not just how you act, interact or react but how others do to you and that in many instances is gender specific.. that life experience can't and should't be discounted. When you M/F transition you are not a woman, when you F/M transition you are not a man, you did not die you were not reborn. Now not only do we have to fully accept men identifying as women we must accept being relabeled ourselves... No!
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20-03-2018, 11:35 AM | #304 | ||
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You're not being being labelled. "Cis" is simply descriptive. Did you reject heterosexual labels?
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20-03-2018, 11:37 AM | #305 | |||
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20-03-2018, 11:39 AM | #306 | |||
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No, because they don't define me do they?
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20-03-2018, 11:46 AM | #307 | |||
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And also, I'm sorry completely to complicate our lives further and about to make this day so much harder... but I have heard cis used also a pejorative... ..
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20-03-2018, 11:46 AM | #308 | ||
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20-03-2018, 11:47 AM | #309 | ||
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I'm talking about "straight" or "heterosexual" being used as descriptors when discussing sexuality. But "cis" is suddenly a label being forced on you when discussing trans. |
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20-03-2018, 11:52 AM | #310 | |||
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This gets more confusing by the day, in the other thread Shaun used that term as a descriptor too but in the context of 2 women in a bar, one 'transwoman' and one 'ciswoman' My sexuality doesn't define me either.
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20-03-2018, 12:10 PM | #311 | ||
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I will never accept the label of 'cis' and I know many feel the same. |
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20-03-2018, 12:35 PM | #313 | ||
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Stepping back from this topic now as tbh, it seems I cannot win no matter what (what a surprise ) but I will say, I will not be effectively bullied into saying a male person is actually female.
Of course it would be different if I had just randomly said 'Lauren harries is a man' for no reason at all but when its actually relevant to the conversation? I will acknowledge that her sex is male. Its not her sex WAS male, her sex still is male. She is a male person who had cosmetic surgery to look more like a woman, to alleviate the dysphoria she felt over her sexed body. I would have no issue using she and her about Harries, and I would not randomly say if she was infront of me 'you are a man' nor would I randomly say on a topic about her, without an actual reason/relevance 'she is male'. But Lauren knows she is male, why is it so horrendous for me to know this too? Lauren was brought up in what I feel was meant to be a 'haha, got ya' type way, and I was blunt in my beliefs. I do not believe male people can be lesbians. I am positive that my view is not some kind of minority fringe view like people try to make out. Either way, I do try to be understanding and actually take on board other peoples views. But I will be honest and say that I have a very had time trying to understand viewpoints such as 'people can actually change sex' and 'male people can actually be female' and 'transactivisim is not misogynistic and homophobic' and such. Oh, along with the need some have to bring up lesbians whenever discussing male people in female areas. I find that pretty crappy tbh. Thats not something only found on here, its extremely common in discussions about this elsewhere...like 'you are not happy with male people in female prisons? That must mean you are not happy with lesbians being in female prisons, should they be in with the men?' which basically to me reads as saying lesbians are men, or like men in some way. And I do not think that acknowledging biological sex is transphobic either. If this is peoples bar for what constitutes transphobia and what does not, they will always be sorely disappointing with moderating. The trans topic is unlike anything we have ever seen before, as effectively everyone is expected to forget everything they know, and suspend reality in a way as to pretend that male and female are not actual real things. We cannot be deleting people/banning people for posting about biology/reality as we currently know it. If this means that we are seen as transphobic ourselves, so be it. So yeah, this was meant to be just a line or two saying I was stepping back now, but I rambled on a bit more. I won't be replying anymore to this thread now...so do your worst I also won't be pretending that I do not acknowledge biology so that people feel better about the way I express my viewpoints. Sorry.
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20-03-2018, 12:40 PM | #314 | |||
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20-03-2018, 12:45 PM | #315 | |||
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Transwoman is the term for someone who transitioned into a female I believe.
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20-03-2018, 12:47 PM | #316 | |||
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All these labels just make things more confusing. Surely woman is enough to define a woman, the same as man is to define a man. Trans should mean just that, someone who has transitioned, therefore can be classed as who they have transitioned to. There should be no shame or embarrassment about this. As to all this men with a penis calling lesbians who refuse to sleep with them transphobic..well, wake up call, they just don’t fancy you, get over yourself. |
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20-03-2018, 12:57 PM | #317 | |||
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'Cis scum' is something that gets used as an insult,'
Well there you are, it's already being used to slur people for no apparent reason other than that is how they were born? is that not 'phobic'...'cisphobic'? Is that a thing? As I said it's another way to sideline, marginalise and make women appear less than.
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20-03-2018, 01:04 PM | #318 | ||
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My question was why you don't mind sexuality descriptors during a sexuality discussion but take issue with a trans identifier or non identifier during such discussion. Neither defines you but are simple terms used during a discussion of either. |
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20-03-2018, 01:05 PM | #319 | |||
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it's interesting to me that the people shouting transphobia are the same ones that insist on calling people cis when the have been repeatedly told that others are offended when being addressed with that term
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20-03-2018, 01:05 PM | #320 | |||
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And 'cis scum' wouldn't marginalise women as it doesnt mention women, like I said it's not gender specific.
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20-03-2018, 01:08 PM | #321 | ||
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The accent you speak with, the town you're from, your sexuality, your gender, your hair colour, your job, your clothes, your nationality, your skin colour etc etc. Does that make any of those individual things insults themselves? No not at all. Last edited by Marsh.; 20-03-2018 at 01:20 PM. |
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20-03-2018, 01:27 PM | #322 | ||
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It is indeed. It seems only certain groups have the right to be offended and the rest are just expected to put up with it.
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20-03-2018, 01:56 PM | #323 | |||
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Is that clear, if you think that's wrong let it be known I don't care.
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20-03-2018, 01:59 PM | #324 | ||
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So? Is whether Kizzy cares or not a barometer for whether we can post or not? It's not your thread. Last edited by Marsh.; 20-03-2018 at 02:00 PM. |
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20-03-2018, 02:01 PM | #325 | |||
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If it wasn't and it's been hijacked by prejudiced people as other terms have been throughout the ages then why is it not seen as acceptable to drop the term?... Have women to be complicit in their own degradation? I don't think so.
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