[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

How scary and pathetic is it that Corbyn, at the mature age of 68 and aspiring to become PM with 'kinder and gentler politics', has been recommended to receive antisemitic training by Momentum chief Jon Lansman.
You couldn't make it up.

Jewdas also give antisemitic training and I agree, its not a bad idea he takes lessons. The thing is, its very easy to say the wrong thing, lots of people here are doing it and its not because they are anti-Jewish but because they use certain terminology.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

No doubt Corbyn was already in that group and he most certainly has a good grasp on Israel, Zionism and the Left. Early in his campaign he suggested the British government stopped supporting and funding Israel as he see's it as an apartheid. He doesn't want to get rid of the state of Israel, he just doesn't want this country to support a people that are oppressing others. Corbyn is a man who hates racism and oppression and so he will stick to his guns on this regardless of what the press throw at him. He's up against a power house that will do everything they possibly can to stop him gaining power and perhaps they. We'l just have to see if this rabid press pays off.

So he attended a Left wing anti-Zionist gathering because of the way he swings regarding Israel.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No doubt Corbyn was already in that group and he most certainly has a good grasp on Israel, Zionism and the Left. Early in his campaign he suggested the British government stopped supporting and funding Israel as he see's it as an apartheid. He doesn't want to get rid of the state of Israel, he just doesn't want this country to support a people that are oppressing others. Corbyn is a man who hates racism and oppression and so he will stick to his guns on this regardless of what the press throw at him. He's up against a power house that will do everything they possibly can to stop him gaining power and perhaps they. We'l just have to see if this rabid press pays off.

So he attended a Left wing anti-Zionist gathering because of the way he swings regarding Israel.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Really!



I put no words in your mouth. You did it all on your own.

REALLY?

HERE IS WHAT I POSTE

"Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas."

AND HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed View Post
So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

Now, any IMPARTIAL reader can scrutinise my post and what I ACTUALLY stated, and compare it with what you are saying I said in your response, and CLEARLY see that you are MISREPRESENTING me.

For instance, I NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in my post that I have ANY 'Political Affiliation' with ANY Jew, DID I?

Secondly, as can be verified by READING the post, my ENTIRE post was specifically about 'Jewdas' AND what I - and others - perceive as the truth about them, and I did NOT mention ANYTHING about 'Good Jews' or Bad Jews either for that matter.

So you ARE - once again - MISREPRESENTING what I write with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for doing so.

I have even taken the trouble to expound for you in the post below, that I do NOT befriend or affiliate myself with Jew, Muslim, Afro Carribean. British Whites or any other human being because of their Colour, Race, Ethnicity, Creed OR Politics, but do so simply because they happen to be decent and good people - in my opinion.

Yet you have this post also before you and STILL persist with your misrepresentation.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

STOP misrepresenting what I write.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jewdas also give antisemitic training and I agree, its not a bad idea he takes lessons. The thing is, its very easy to say the wrong thing, lots of people here are doing it and its not because they are anti-Jewish but because they use certain terminology.

Jewdas insisted that the furore over Corbyn and antisemitism in the Labour party were just smears and booed when members names where called out who had attended the recent antisemitism protest at their seder with Corbyn!!! So I doubt they are at all proficient in delivering proper antisemitism training. I guess you agree with them though as you have joined?
I would dispute the idea that a leading statesman of the UK should need antisemitic training. How ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

REALLY?

HERE IS WHAT I POSTE

"Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas."

AND HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed View Post
So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

Now, any IMPARTIAL reader can scrutinise my post and what I ACTUALLY stated, and compare it with what you are saying I said in your response, and CLEARLY see that you are MISREPRESENTING me.

For instance, I NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in my post that I have ANY 'Political Affiliation' with ANY Jew, DID I?

Secondly, as can be verified by READING the post, my ENTIRE post was specifically about 'Jewdas' AND what I - and others - perceive as the truth about them, and I did NOT mention ANYTHING about 'Good Jews' or Bad Jews either for that matter.

So you ARE - once again - MISREPRESENTING what I write with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for doing so.

I have even taken the trouble to expound for you in the post below, that I do NOT befriend or affiliate myself with Jew, Muslim, Afro Carribean. British Whites or any other human being because of their Colour, Race, Ethnicity, Creed OR Politics, but do so simply because they happen to be decent and good people - in my opinion.

Yet you have this post also before you and STILL persist with your misrepresentation.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

STOP misrepresenting what I write.

There was a distinct conformation bias to the tone of your post... Any impartial reader can see that.

Could you define an 'ordinary Jew' for me please?

[bitontheslide]

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

Thank you BOTS - I won't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

I agree. What is also perfectly clear is the diversion tactics used to steer the conversation away from the growing misdeeds of the Almighty One.

[Kizzy]

we are a group of British Jews who are deeply proud of being Jewish. We have always put humour and satire at the heart of what we do – because, frankly, politics and religion are far too dull otherwise. But don’t be mistaken: we are completely serious about what we do.

Since 2005, we have attempted to build a community based around activist, socialist and diasporist Judaism in the UK. While most of us are also active in our local synagogues and other Jewish cultural organisations, only together have we felt able to build the kind of freethinking, traditionally radical Judaism that is needed in the 21st century.'

When this year a friend and constituent of Jeremy Corbyn invited him to attend, he accepted the invitation. He came, bringing horseradish from his own allotment for use on the communal seder plate (the horseradish symbolises the bitterness the Israelites experienced as slaves to Pharaoh in Egypt). He sat attentively through a four-hour event, agreeing gamely to read the Elijah’s cup section when asked. He participated fully, and chatted afterwards to many attendees. We were very happy to have him as a guest, and he was happy to join us.

In a normal situation, you might think that the leader of the opposition attending a seder with a group of 100 young, committed Jews might be a simple good news story. But if you’re determined to brand Jeremy Corbyn an antisemite, it seems that literally any story will do.

We have grown used to being smeared as self-hating Jews. But labelling us a source of “virulent antisemitism” as the Board of Deputies leader, Jonathan Arkush, did today is seriously scraping the barrel. The truth is, we love Judaism and Jewish culture, as every one of our events demonstrates.

The idea that there is a “mainstream Jewish community” is a fiction, promoted by a group of self-selecting individuals and institutions who have run out of ideas. There are approximately 300,000 Jews in Britain, with a huge diversity of religious and political ideas represented among them.

No single organisation can speak for us all. To claim that we in Jewdas are somehow not real Jews is offensive, and frankly antisemitic. Chag Sameach to everyone – wishing you all a happy Passover. May we use this festival to liberate ourselves from all oppression and stand up for justice everywhere.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...wdas-good-news

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

What bait?... He accused a Jewish group of antisemitism!

How dare you chirrup from behind the curtains BOTS, if you have an opinion let's hear it, don't mock mine as 'bait' then scuttle off :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What bait?... He accused a Jewish group of antisemitism!

How dare you chirrup from behind the curtains BOTS, if you have an opinion let's hear it, don't mock mine as 'bait' then scuttle off :/

Yet you answered my response post to Demolition Red?

BOTS was making a fair comment as you were.

[Kizzy]

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yet you answered my response post to Demolition Red?

BOTS was making a fair comment as you were.

Yes I was,as was DR, you were accusing a Jewish group of antisemitism, she saw it and I saw it... just because BOTS doesn't see it doesn't mean we were baiting.

[Kizzy]

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1. Why would Mr Corbyn go there, especially after the last couple of weeks?
2. Where do all these nutters come from?

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Erm.....


'David Irving, the controversial historian helping the Sunday Times with a serialisation of the diaries of Joseph Goebbels, returned to Britain from Moscow yesterday and attended a seminar organised to question the facts of the Holocaust.'

'Mr Irving blamed the controversy on rival historians jealous of his latest coup and reiterated to reporters his view that Auschwitz 'was undoubtedly a brutal slave labour camp but it wasn't a factory of death. The gas chambers were a figment of British propaganda.'

'As disclosed last week by The Independent, Mr Irving had been in Moscow on behalf of the Sunday Times preparing a translation of what is thought to be the only complete version of the diaries of Hitler's propaganda minister. He has been criticised as an unsuitable person to handle such material and the Sunday Times, which is paying him a six-figure sum, has been criticised for employing him.'

The serialisation of the diaries is due to begin next week. Yesterday The Independent on Sunday asked the editor of the Sunday Times, Andrew Neil, about the claims of a Swiss citizen, Francois Genoud, to copyright over Goebbels's writings. Mr Genoud is an admirer of Hitler and is associated with Nazi causes.

Mr Neil said that if Mr Irving and Mr Genoud had reached any arrangement over Mr Irving's intended book on Goebbels, that was Mr Irving's affair. But the paper had not dealt and would not deal with Mr Genoud and would never pay him money. Mr Genoud may have had a past in the Nazi party: 'We're not talking about an amateur Nazi like Irving here,' said Mr Neil.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/i...y-1531352.html

[Kizzy]

From the same article...
A leaflet advertising the seminar said it was organised by a group of students of Second World War history to 'consider the Holocaust'.

The leaflet stated: 'As a result of Jewish media control, most Britons are unaware that in recent years a growing number of 'Revisionist' historians . . . have formed the opinion that while anti-Jewish atrocities were perpetuated by the Germans during the war, the core 'Holocaust' story that six million Jews were systematically exterminated in gas chambers and then incinerated in ovens, cannot be sustained . . .'

The demonstrators discovered the venue for yesterday's seminar by following guests from a rendezvous at a West End hotel. The guests had been vetted by the British National Party, which was thought to have helped to organise the meeting.

The demonstration had been arranged in protest at the seminar, but some of the anger was directed at Mr Neil. The organisers, the Campaign Against Fascism in Europe, described Mr Irving as 'probably the world's leading apologist for Hitler' and said he was regarded by open fascists throughout Europe as 'the Fuhrer'. A leaflet handed to passers-by said: 'His ideas are being enormously boosted by Andrew Neil, who is either an absolute idiotic donkey or only interested in his circulation figures'.

Well well well...

[DemolitionRed]

Good find Kizzy.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Wow, so Jewdas are also borderline Holocaust deniers? Corbyn sure can pick 'em!

Where have they said such a thing?

[DemolitionRed]

Oliver, why do you support Zionism?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Where have they said such a thing?

Kizzy's multiple-post sperging on is hard to follow sometimes, I assumed the "leaflet advertising the seminar" was referring to the event Corbyn attended.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Kizzy's multiple-post sperging on is hard to follow sometimes, I assumed the "leaflet advertising the seminar" was referring to the event Corbyn attended.

It was only a newspaper article!

[MTVN]

Kizzy randomly started going on about something Andrew Neil was involved in over twenty five years ago instead even though no one on here had mentioned Andrew Neil

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes I was,as was DR, you were accusing a Jewish group of antisemitism, she saw it and I saw it... just because BOTS doesn't see it doesn't mean we were baiting.

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

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To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so