[arista]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

I agree with some points you make.

I think Suicide is Wrong in all cases, even in Euthansia.

Yes it may be Wrong
but you can not stop it .

[Chuck]

Yes.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The only time it shouldn't be allowed is for people serving life in prison.

I would so kill myself if I was given life, honestly.

[Mr XcX]

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

[Mr XcX]

Do you think it is right that for example, an independent Mother who is stuggling should kill herself leaving her children to fend for themselves.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

of course you would.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Hang On a Min.

I might be on a Important Train Journey


I do nor want another one under.

Always allow time for a delay

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX
I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

Yes but if they begged me to let them die and I could see the seriousness in their eyes I would let them die.

Its someones own choice to kill themselves and I don't thinks its fair to call it selfish and cowardly because people make decisions for their own reasons and you cant really say wether it was right or wrong unless you've been in that position.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

That's got nothing to do with it.

Obviously people would call an ambulance if such a thing happened. It's the natural human reaction to try and save someone. But that doesn't conflict with the view that people should be allowed do it. If it was happening right in front of you you would try and stop it sure but most people are discreet about it, aren't they.

[GypsyGoth]

People are allowed to kill themselves already. And of course we should have that right.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Yes but if they begged me to let them die and I could see the seriousness in their eyes I would let them die.

Its someones own choice to kill themselves and I don't thinks its fair to call it selfish and cowardly because people make decisions for their own reasons and you cant really say wether it was right or wrong unless you've been in that position.

You would leave them to die!!!

That is near to murder!!!!

YOU would be responsible for leaving them to die!!! YOU would face the consequences from their family!!! Anyone could have seriousness in their eyes, for all you know the person may have been under medication that was making them depressed and thus may have not wanted to kill themselves if they where not under that medication. I have no Idea how anyone would just leave someone to die.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

I think everyone here is missing the point.

If someone tried to kill themselves and was dieing do you think it is moral to just sit back and leave them to die. NO!!!

You would call an ambulance and try to save them!!

Yea I would but thats just stopping one attempt, if they want to die you can't stop them from trying again until they succeed

[Conor]

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Stu

That's got nothing to do with it.
Obviously people would call an ambulance if such a thing happened. It's the natural human reaction to try and save someone. But that doesn't conflict with the view that people should be allowed do it. If it was happening right in front of you you would try and stop it sure but most people are discreet about it, aren't they.

No, you are saying people "SHOULD be Allowed to" Therefore you would leave them to die because you are saying it is their "right" to do it.

[Shaun]

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

Agree.

But I also believe Euthanasia is wrong too.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

No, you are saying people "SHOULD be Allowed to" Therefore you would leave them to die because you are saying it is their "right" to do it.

Right. Now read the bit under the bold text you formatted. That's my reply.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Shaun

xcx, please, quit the capital letters and exclamations charade. It's so tiresome.

lol, I just do it without thinking I have done it.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Conor

Never. Suicide destroys families and other lives around the victim. My mum is a social worker and could probably list many cases where this has happened. It is an undignified and selfish way out. There is always a chance to claw back what has been lost.

Euthanasia is a whole other thing though...

That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

not necessarily that different, one is mental pain and the other is physical

If someone is terminally ill and hospitalised, with the prospect of an undignified and long, painful death I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to die early, as opposed to some stroppy teen suffering 'eternal woes' hurling themselves in front of the M1.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

You would leave them to die!!!

That is near to murder!!!!

YOU would be responsible for leaving them to die!!! YOU would face the consequences from their family!!! Anyone could have seriousness in their eyes, for all you know the person may have been under medication that was making them depressed and thus may have not wanted to kill themselves if they where not under that medication. I have no Idea how anyone would just leave someone to die.

No its not near to murder. How is it my responsibility in the first place?

Obviously I would but if someone wouldn't stop begging me why should I force them to live and be put in a mental home or something when they made the decision to kill themselves. Even if they were on drugs its still their body and their choices so who am I to stop letting them do as they please.
I would call an ambulance in most cases but not definitely all.

Just because I know if I chose to kill myself I would not want others trying to make me stop if I knew I really wanted too. And you don't know if there is an after life so if there is a heaven like place that one goes to, then why deny them the ability to explore the fact of a better place and make them suffer living. Depression can be torture and I bet you think killing instantly is better than torture if it was like being done by a serial killer or something.

[Conor]

Originally Posted by Stu

That's all well and good but what would you do then? Legislate life? If people want to kill themselves they will find a way. How can you say it's illegal for people to take themselves out of the world? Isin't that just imprisonment on a massive, massive scale?

And how would you enforce the law?

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. I took the question as a matter of personal opinion.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Stu

Right. Now read the bit under the bold text you formatted. That's my reply.

It is not a very good reply because you are saying that it is "Allowed" to kill themselves yet you would save someone who did try to kill themselves.

Do not think so.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Conor

I never said it should be enforced legally. As a law student, I realise it is impossible. However I don't agree with suicide at all.

Neither do I but I just can't bring myself to say people shouldn't be allowed do it. Especially when as we are establishing here the sentence itself has no practical application. You can disagree with suicide all you like but you can't really put into practice not allowing people to do it.