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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Science and religion aren't antithetical, most of the great Scientists in history were also Christians; Galileo, Newton, Darwin etc.

I don't believe in a Christian God, but there is yet to be a Scientific truth that contradicts the possibility of something existing beyond our understanding. I wouldn't attribute the kid's visions to something supernatural though, I think it's more likely the brain was playing tricks on him. Sad video all the same

Your first point is not strictly correct and is simply a reflection on the make-up of society at that time than saying that great minds were also Christian - as they were not and continue not to be.

taking a anti-christian stance at that time would have meant the end of their research and livelihood - they were not daft, just scientists.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You do need to prove it, but you simply can't, so you refuse, fair enough.snip

I do not, neither do I have to disprove unicorns, leprechauns, mediums, trolls, dragons and other made up stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...en_of_evidence

[Sam:)]

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

[Vicky.]

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I do not, neither do I have to disprove unicorns, leprechauns, mediums, trolls, dragons and other made up stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...en_of_evidence

No, you're right, humans should never think outside the box, they should think strictly in the box, because thats how all the great theories of the universe originated, isn't it? Can you not even acknowledge that there might be more to living beings than we know?

Afterall, you only have to look at the universe to see how truely magnificent, mysterious and "magical" it is. I say magical, but of course, it's science, but can't science be magical? After all, science has given us technology that our ancestors would have mistaken for witchcraft.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Your first point is not strictly correct and is simply a reflection on the make-up of society at that time than saying that great minds were also Christian - as they were not and continue not to be.

taking a anti-christian stance at that time would have meant the end of their research and livelihood - they were not daft, just scientists.

Well Galileo was convicted of heresy and Newtons religious views were far from orthodox so it's not like they were just pretending to be stooges of the Church, both were still Christians though

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well Galileo was convicted of heresy and Newtons religious views were far from orthodox so it's not like they were just pretending to be stooges of the Church, both were still Christians though

A true christian would have no need to look for any answers beyond god. there were about as christian as arista

[InOne]

Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

All Atheists don't. And it's Religious people I usually see shouting in the street damning people to hell. Why don't they respect that an Atheist doesn't believe? Don't go pretending that Theists are some sort of victim.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

Well you get a gold star for being so good but i am taking it off you again for the "old persecution chestnut"...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Chewy

No, you're right, humans should never think outside the box, they should think strictly in the box, because thats how all the great theories of the universe originated, isn't it? Can you not even acknowledge that there might be more to living beings than we know?

Afterall, you only have to look at the universe to see how truely magnificent, mysterious and "magical" it is. I say magical, but of course, it's science, but can't science be magical? After all, science has given us technology that our ancestors would have mistaken for witchcraft.

sorry, what point are you making though?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

All Atheists don't. And it's Religious people I usually see shouting in the street damning people to hell. Why don't they respect that an Atheist doesn't believe? Don't go pretending that Theists are some sort of victim.

All religeous people don't shout in the street, athiests are getting as bad by constantly berating quiet religeous people for their beliefs

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry, what point are you making though?

That it's not impossible there is some form of afterlife

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A true christian would have no need to look for any answers beyond god. there were about as christian as arista

Examining the way the world works, the way things are and the way they happen isn't looking for answers beyond God, it's looking for answers within God, and within the framework of his creation

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Examining the way the world works, the way things are and the way they happen isn't looking for answers beyond God, it's looking for answers within God, and within the framework of his creation

Unfortunately it did not pan out that way and was the very reason why no one believes in god now in developed countries and why religion has been pushed back to backward nations and continents.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by JayzusChroist

You obviously have no evidence if your looking at Wikipedia.
I don't get why all atheists feel the need to be pricks, they should respect other peoples beliefs. While I don't necessarily believe in all of the christian religion, I dont verbally attack people who do

All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

All atheists don't feel the need to be pricks. Wikipedia, contray to popular belief, contains plenty of facts and good summarys of theories - making it a useful place to link to.

Also there is absoloutely no burden on an atheist to respect someones beliefs. I hate that notion. I don't respect Islam, for instance. I respect peoples choice to believe as long as they go about it in a way that does not interfere with the lives of others ... but why should I have to respect the religion? What if I find the religion disrespectful?

I hate this idea that we have to respect someones religious beliefs. The best I can do is respect their freedom of choice as long as it doesn't intervene with others freedom of choice.

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Chewy

All religeous people don't shout in the street, athiests are getting as bad by constantly berating quiet religeous people for their beliefs



That it's not impossible there is some form of afterlife

I never said all religious people did. But at least when Atheists do do it, they do it in an intelligent manner and not rant and rave in the street like some loon. And nobody really berates the people themselves, they simply point out the flaws and contradictions in the Religion they follow. It's up to them if they listen or not. This "agressive atheism" movement is vastly exaggerated. The only place you mostly find it is on the net.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well said. The day that religion is ousted from our schools and politics then people may have a little more "respect" for it.

But who can respect adults saying they believe in what the bible says? - i mean come on..

I do agree with that, you only have to look at America to figure out why religeon shouldn't be a factor in politics, any old guy can get into a position of power by wittering on about god in the deep South.

[Stu]

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

[MTVN]

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

[InOne]

God, Sticks with his mini novel post with lots of links and a cheeky reminder he moderates a Science forum or whatever it is

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't really have a problem with Dawkins, Hitchens and that lot, and I find it a bit stupid when people use the term "fundamentalist Atheism" and make out it's just the same as Religious fundamentalism. The worst the militant Atheists do is challenge religious beliefs, albeit quite aggressively, but at least they don't wish to see you suffering in eternal hell just because you didn't live your life as their God supposedly dictates

Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Even on DS there are about 5 believers and all are fairly hopeless.

But its not the people, its the baseless stance that religion gives them.

[Sam:)]

I don't believe in hell, in a way I don't believe in any of it (if anyone was outside barrots in Henry Street at around 4 you would have seen me tell some american preacher to **** off. Its just comforting to think that when we die that its not the end.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Only thing about them is they seem to debate and meet with complete twonks. Some Christians can put their views across really well without coming across as a raving fundie. They may've come across some of them people and I have not seen it, but from what I've seen, they meet complete idiots.

Yeah that's probably right, I did actually read recently how Dawkins declined to attend a debate with some top Christian theologist or something, might have had a reasonable explanation but the article I was reading was pretty much implying he was a bit of a cop out