[Shaun]

And a list of products and their responsible damages owed:

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Apple202

IT WAS STILL A TABLET.

Putting a shiny new cover on it doesn't mean that the original premise is not the same? Even changing the processor doesn't mean that the idea is not the same? The idea was a tablet computer, and Microsoft thought of it first and Apple copied it.

well if you wanna talk about Tablet's, Apple had the Newton, long before microsoft's 2002 tablet. As you can see from the pics, the beginnings of both the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad began long before 2002.

These products were from the 90's.... so you can see what Apple was doing with the Newton long before it turned into the iPhone and iPad...

[BBfanUSA]

Kinda wished that Apple would have to use to money to make a factory in the united states like Piers Morgan suggested.

I swear apple is getting very close to becoming a monopoly.

[Saph]

Its weird how 10 years ago no one cared about Apple and now everyones craves it :s

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

Its weird how 10 years ago no one cared about Apple and now everyones craves it :s

I cared about Apple 10 years ago, i grew up on Apple, our computer lab in school was all Apple Macs, all donated. Apple had a huge program that donated computers to schools all around America. I think most American kids in the 90's had Apples at school. I grew up with logo the turtle, and Kid Pix, and Claris Works, and Oregon Trail, we had Apples in the classroom when i was growing up.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well if you wanna talk about Tablet's, Apple had the Newton, long before microsoft's 2002 tablet. As you can see from the pics, the beginnings of both the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad began long before 2002.

These products were from the 90's.... so you can see what Apple was doing with the Newton long before it turned into the iPhone and iPad...

That's a PDA, surely?

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

Its weird how 10 years ago no one cared about Apple and now everyones craves it :s

*Clings my baby Iphone 4S*
but its true :L

[Jake.]

I do like Apple, I'm using an iPad as we speak. But greed just pisses me off. Still love how Android dominates the mobile market (even though I have a windows phone and love it)

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JH95

That's a PDA, surely?

obviously, but it's clear where they were going with it, you can clearly see the beginning of both the iPhone and the iPad in the Newton. it's clear that they were developing this technology for a long time... long before Samsung was doing anything even remotely similar.

[Jake.]

Then you could just as easily say that Apple copied Psion?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JH95

Then you could just as easily say that Apple copied Psion?

No, Because Psion hasn't done anything even remotely close to the iPad or iPhone.

[BB_Fan2012]

Apple Always Wins, thats why they are the best .....

[Red Moon]

It could only really happen in the USA.

To me it is like Coca-Cola designing a coke bottle and then patenting how you drink out of it, then sueing Pepsi for allowing user's to use there bottles in the same way. It is madness.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by BB_Fan2012

Apple Always Wins, thats why they are the best .....

Some of there recent product have been utter rubbish. I use to love Apple products but the products have become cheap disposable consumer items over recent years. It is no wonder they are having to go to court to protect their market share because their hardware is shoddy. My experience of some of their recent products has all been negative.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

It could only really happen in the USA.

To me it is like Coca-Cola designing a coke bottle and then patenting how you drink out of it, then sueing Pepsi for allowing user's to use there bottles in the same way. It is madness.

Oh please, this is an American thing????

Europe is a million times worse, they patent everything, you can't call a certain type of cheese by it's name unless it's made in that actual place, or you can't call champagne champagne unless it's made in a certain part of France. Europe is a million times worse when it comes to protecting ridiculous things and patents and names. Europe is way more protectionist than the US.

Don't even get me started.

[BB_Fan2012]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

Some of there recent product have been utter rubbish. I use to love Apple products but the products have become cheap disposable consumer items over recent years. It is no wonder they are having to go to court to protect their market share because their hardware is shoddy. My experience of some of their recent products has all been negative.

If thats how you feel, then fair enough, but i aint had any major issues with their producs, i have had a 3gs, 4s, ipad 1 & ipad 3, and the only issues i have are the battery life on the Iphones could be a lil better, but other than that they are great products in my eyes, don't hate me for saying that

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by JH95

Then you could just as easily say that Apple copied Psion?

They are copy each other and have been doing it for years. Now the US legal system has got in on the act and persuaded companies to sue each other we, the consumer, are basically screwed. This could damage the tablet and smartphone market for years to come, by giving Apple a monopoly in the market place which won't be good for anyone.

Watch this space because Apple will now turn their guns on Google and everyone else. They want to kill Android before it kills them.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by BB_Fan2012

If thats how you feel, then fair enough, but i aint had any major issues with their producs, i have had a 3gs, 4s, ipad 1 & ipad 3, and the only issues i have are the battery life on the Iphones could be a lil better, but other than that they are great products in my eyes, don't hate me for saying that

Cracking cases, faulty power supplies, and expanding and exploding batteries just a few of the faults I have experienced. It is not all good.

One thing you can say in the past is if you brought an Apple product it would last you years but that isn't the case anymore. They aren't even designed that way anymore. Their recent computers aren't user expandable and they aren't really designed to be repaired. They are throw away fashion items.

It's no wonder they are the richest company in the US when they have managed to turn phones, tablets and computers into fashion items people replace every year.

Two years ago I would have told anyone to buy Apple, I have 8 year old working Apple desktops and Laptops. Now I would never buy another computer from them. It has been that bad.

[BB_Fan2012]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

Cracking cases, faulty power supplies, and expanding and exploding batteries just a few of the faults I have experienced. It is not all good.

One thing you can say in the past is if you brought an Apple product it would last you years but that isn't the case anymore. They aren't even designed that way anymore. Their recent computers aren't user expandable and they aren't really designed to be repaired. They are throw away fashion items.

It's no wonder they are the richest company in the US when they have managed to turn phones, tablets and computers into fashion items people replace every year.

Two years ago I would have told anyone to buy Apple, I have 8 year old working Apple desktops and Laptops. Now I would never buy another computer from them. It has been that bad.

Edited for you Like i say i have not had any major issues other than the battery issue, sorry to hear the problems you have had, so what phone you got now?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Red Moon

They are copy each other and have been doing it for years. Now the US legal system has got in on the act and persuaded companies to sue each other we, the consumer, are basically screwed. This could damage the tablet and smartphone market for years to come, by giving Apple a monopoly in the market place which won't be good for anyone.

Watch this space because Apple will now turn their guns on Google and everyone else. They want to kill Android before it kills them.

I have to agree. It's a shame really.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Don't even get me started.

I was talking about the litigation culture, rather than the regional protection of products, that is another matter altogether.

After all it make sense to protect regional products, if I buy a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie I expect it to be made there or it's not a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie. It's a bit like Apple saying there computers are made in America when they actually made outside the USA. It would just be wrong, so you need rules so people aren't misled.

Anyway this is the truth behind Apple not so squeaky clean side:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162...pple-products/

but I guess it is the same for many companies that want massive margins and profits.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by BB_Fan2012

Edited for you Like i say i have not had any major issues other than the battery issue, sorry to hear the problems you have had, so what phone you got now?

It's okay, I'm use to missing out words and having to back and edit stuff myself. I'm dyslexic and even when I read stuff back to myself I add in the missing words

Currently I use an Android but I didn't buy it because it had tap to zoom or any of the features Apple were going on about. I wanted something with Facebook and Twitter and unlike a iPhone I have a keyboard too.

[Ryan.]

I dare anyone to read this document and tell me that there is any possible way Samsung did not slavishly copy the iPhone's graphical and functional UI.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/44

To me that is all the evidence any jury should ever need. Absolutely defenceless.

Samsung has built its business on taking over existing markets, emulating the products already on sale and then rising quickly to the top. They have done it most famously in TVs. Anyone can see that Samsung has been understandably envious of Apple's massive success in smartphones and tablets, and have gone to great lengths to copy every part of Apple's business, down to store design, UI icons and even dock connector.

Exhibit A:


And don't give me that crap about Apple 'patenting rectangles' or anything else. It is abundantly clear that there is more than one smartphone design solution. Look at the HTC One X, The Sony Xperia Arc, The Nokia Lumia range, or even Samsung's Galaxy S3. There is just no denying that in the original Galaxy S, and several phones after it, Samsung copied Apple.

I rest my case.

[Red Moon]

Originally Posted by Ryan.

Samsung has built its business on taking over existing markets, emulating the products already on sale and then rising quickly to the top.

And Apple has never done that?

As Bill Gates reportedly said to jobs once: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbour named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”

[Red Moon]

Steve Jobs said:

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”

That is what this all about and at the end of the day if Apple do win this war then we will be the losers. The people that use and buy smart phones.