[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

To be fair he was in his bed and when she came in ,she told him to come and give her a cuddle,she could have also left him alone

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bez87

The crazy thing is, was it me or did he seem like he was off with Hazel, like she was the one who did this to him, has no one told him actually hazel was ok with it all, and was bad that he had left. he does need help tho.

Agree. Instead of apologising to Hazel he took the first opportunity to criticise her.

[KissTheLiquor]

Sure Hazel have done some things but it doesn't explain the way he acted towards her. I was terrified for Hazel as I was watching.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think it's fair to say Hazel was giving him mixed signals. Her signals were very clearly "it's here on a plate if you want it", and her signals have been like that for a while.

Yes,you have a point but what is it with Charlie with Dexter,I cant work that one out.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itself

I agree she handled it badly. Too much glossing over the reality. Par for the course IMO in most post eviction interviews too. Also I think it is because BB are hiding from their responsibility. They should have intervened when he was spiraling out of control before she even went into the room. That was unnerving viewing.They were wanting sleaze, nothing more, why did they not show the whole thing?They know they were wrong. So many people have not seen his manic build up to this. If BB had got the sleaze no amount of pant pulling down or slaps would have mattered.That would have been seen as playful. It all backfired when he let his real rage show.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

Women are property nothing more. The ranting comments , talking to himself ?? the countdown the lying were awful, demeaning and showed exactly how he regards women. His treatment of her in the shower scene were the same. Edited to make it look far more innocent that it was. BB wanted sleaze and it all went badly wrong. Is this the future of this show now?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Why did they let her go in there at all, the raging state he had wound himself into. We all know why.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

Yes. Some other remarks I think Dan made called him into question.

[armand.kay]

There's no excuse for how he treated her in there.

[GiRTh]

Are you guys still slating Daley?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

This.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

She is no angel both should have been chuked out !!!

[CaudleHalbard]

The thread title is rather strange. I did not hear anyone on BOTS suggesting Hazel was to blame. Sharing the blame is not the same as being to blame!

[armand.kay]

Next time me and my sister are play fighting i'll make sure to pin her down by her troate if she touches my blanket.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itself

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

[JTM45]

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

Then as a professional presenter who's paid a hell of a lot of money to communicate in English, she should have ensured she was making herself clear at the time.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

Emma has splinters in her backside from sitting on soooo many fences. Can't stand the sycophantic woman.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes she did ,and agree with you ,its NOT ok for a woman to pull a man shorts down ,and people who claim it is have double standards

The people who have double standards are the ones who fully supported Denise pulling the twins shorts down in CBB because they hated them, yet are disgusted at Hazel pulling Daley's shorts down because they hate HER. I remember when the twins were sat in the diary room screaming "we're gonna sue!!" and everyone was moaning about what an overreaction it was, and yet Daley responds by pinning Hazel to the bed by her neck threatening to "nut her" and that's a perfectly fine reaction? There's the real double standards.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

Exactly and I have said the same. Its only about viewing figures nothing more. So called Psychological profiling?? Give me a break !Money and they dont care what emotionally dysfunctional person they use to get it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

In my experience genuine abusers are very rarely single. I wasn't surprised to see his gf there and I wont be surprised if she goes back to him.

[Toy Soldier]

the whole I thoughtd was ridiculous. he made it abundantly clear that he isnt sorry for what ended up happening with Hazel - he's sorry (fof himself) that he had his little fling and messed up his own relationship, and that he came out looking like a thug. His tearz were all about feeling sorry for himself. A d he clearly blamed Hazel throughout - not really for the incident as I'm sure he'd been briefed not to - but he clearly blames her for "leading him astray" and ruining things with his girlfriend. Pathetic boy. His face when hazel was mentioned spoke more than. a thousand words.

I'm not saying he's a monster at all. **** happens. Dark, stupid mistakes happen. I fully believe he thought it was "rough flirting" and still does but the fact is he DIX into.usage and scare her, and he should be SORRY for that. He should want to tell her "look... things went to far, I never meant to scare you like that, I wouldnt have hurt you" but no... he's throwing a tantrum and blaming someone else for his mistake. Bots playing along, is disgusting. Not Emma's fault, it was clearly scripted for her, but it's not going to help her "more serious" career outside of / after Big Bro.