[sampvt]

Are we all missing the point here. If Lionel had have popped up and said yeah I love a finger up my bum, what grief would he be getting now. He would be tarred and feathered as a pervert. It seems to be ok to act like a dick and use profanities and crude behaviour if you are young and cool, but when you are old, that cool act becomes perverted. A true sign of our ever decreasing dumb down society values.

She was drunk and a bit OTT and Lionel was a tad too prim and proper but neither where that badly on the wrong side of the track that they need pilloring, especially when we are expected to see such behaviour on a show driven by a group of under achievers called production. Give a group a load of alcohol and obviously one is going to kick off, job done, move on now to a useless task and more drink or acts of social depravity.

Guys its Big \brother, suck it up and stop being such killjoys. God if I can understand and forgive it, everyone should be able to.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Was any of that however in the very first few hours of being in the house?

In the first week anyway for BB5/BB6. Not too sure about BB1.

The show's original demo was for adults, people in the 20s above. Since 2000 there has always been a strong language, adult themes and nudity warned before the programme. People that get offended by words need to calm down.

I don't disagree that Jasmine shouldn't have said it in front of Lionel, but she was a little drunk, so didn't notice. It's fine saying what she did away from an 80+ year old, but with him there, it was awkward.

[arista]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

What's wrong with anal fingering?

Nothing
but not with a 82 year old

[MeMyselfAndI]

Lionel knew what he was signing up for. Next time no old people should be picked if it means everyone has too change & watch their actions and become boring just for one person that adds nothing too the show

[Jemal]

Bloody, the over exaggerattion..
Since hes 82 years of age, why isnt he mature enough to handle a conversation about a sexual act?
Is a bloody 6 year old kid? Is he a toddler to not be hearing "BAD WORDS"
Get a flipping grip people. Your acting like the man is due to die if he hears about anal fingering. Its hilarious.

People are also acting like she wasnt intoxicated which would obviously have an effect on her?
She isnt a disrespectful woman when sober? We have seen shes a lovely girl onfirst impressions. Its not like she didnt welcome anyone or didnt talk to anyone or straight away abused the 82 year old man? She has been nice.
And now she is just being stereotyped for just having drinks to have a good time?
Not like she celebrated new years anyway, at least she done it in style here.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am more with you.
Okay Jasmine was drunk I accept that, also in Charlottes case she went on and on with her rather unnecessary and toilet comments when fully sober, although counter balancing that, Charlotte tended to be more careful when around Ron Atkinson thereby showing a little respect.

I certainly,even now at 21,would think as to what I was saying if I was in the company of people much older than myself and would not encourage topics from others that could offend or make someone feel uncomfortable.
Also, this was in effect the first night too, they had only been there a few hours so she showed little respect for anyone really.

It is all well and good to say she was drunk and make that an excuse for what is disrespectful unnecessary behaviour but no one else put themselves in that position.

Lionel, perhaps should have just got up almost immediately and moved elsewhere and more than likely had he not been handcuffed to Ollie he would have done.
That is another element to Jasmine perhaps needing to curb her tongue a little, they are handcuffed to each other and one person cannot just walk away without the others agreement.

I do agree with you that an 82 year old should be shown some respect when in company unless they demonstrate any action not to be given respect.
Really there was no reason in such company for Jasmine to raise the topic at all especially when Lionel was present.
Drunk or not, that was her doing and her fault. I actually admired that Lionel in the end said nothing really and simply walked away from it, after securing Ollie's permission to go with him too.

Very well said Joey.

[Kizzy]

Lionel according to him hung around with Sammy Davis Jr, he's an 82yr old showbiz man of the world.... this faux offence is a bit silly, and as false as jasmines initial convo. They all have to do something to get noticed for in the initial stages, she's playing 'trashy girl' and he's playing 'nice old man' imo.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Are we all missing the point here. If Lionel had have popped up and said yeah I love a finger up my bum, what grief would he be getting now. He would be tarred and feathered as a pervert. It seems to be ok to act like a dick and use profanities and crude behaviour if you are young and cool, but when you are old, that cool act becomes perverted. A true sign of our ever decreasing dumb down society values.

She was drunk and a bit OTT and Lionel was a tad too prim and proper but neither where that badly on the wrong side of the track that they need pilloring, especially when we are expected to see such behaviour on a show driven by a group of under achievers called production. Give a group a load of alcohol and obviously one is going to kick off, job done, move on now to a useless task and more drink or acts of social depravity.

Guys its Big \brother, suck it up and stop being such killjoys. God if I can understand and forgive it, everyone should be able to.

nnn so true

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am more with you.
Okay Jasmine was drunk I accept that, also in Charlottes case she went on and on with her rather unnecessary and toilet comments when fully sober, although counter balancing that, Charlotte tended to be more careful when around Ron Atkinson thereby showing a little respect.

I certainly,even now at 21,would think as to what I was saying if I was in the company of people much older than myself and would not encourage topics from others that could offend or make someone feel uncomfortable.
Also, this was in effect the first night too, they had only been there a few hours so she showed little respect for anyone really.

It is all well and good to say she was drunk and make that an excuse for what is disrespectful unnecessary behaviour but no one else put themselves in that position.

Lionel, perhaps should have just got up almost immediately and moved elsewhere and more than likely had he not been handcuffed to Ollie he would have done.
That is another element to Jasmine perhaps needing to curb her tongue a little, they are handcuffed to each other and one person cannot just walk away without the others agreement.

I do agree with you that an 82 year old should be shown some respect when in company unless they demonstrate any action not to be given respect.
Really there was no reason in such company for Jasmine to raise the topic at all especially when Lionel was present.
Drunk or not, that was her doing and her fault. I actually admired that Lionel in the end said nothing really and simply walked away from it, after securing Ollie's permission to go with him too.

Age is nothing but a number. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean we should all act the same.

Its Big Brother fgs not a retirement home.

[Pete.]

Aww dear how vulgar

[Lwize]

Meh. None of this is shocking.

Want a clean and respectful BB show? Remove the alcohol.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Ive heard theres some lovely documentaries on BBC2.

[Jemal]

Its like people are acting hes a little child who isnt allowed to listen to sexual things lolol.

[Black Dagger]

Nowt wrong with a bit of anal fingering, I'd highly recommend it.

[lostalex]

Lionel's probably just bitter because his dick doesn't doesn't work any more.

[Pete.]

Big Brother is a social experiment to reflect the topics and the attitudes of the outside world. People talk about sex it's not uncommon and people get drunk and piss themselves it's fine

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I shat myself once and told that story at parties lol im sorry but if you're having a laugh and that's your personality you shouldn't have to hide it.

Glad shes being herself and not holding back.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Nowt wrong with a bit of anal fingering, I'd highly recommend it.

you would

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lionel according to him hung around with Sammy Davis Jr, he's an 82yr old showbiz man of the world.... this faux offence is a bit silly, and as false as jasmines initial convo. They all have to do something to get noticed for in the initial stages, she's playing 'trashy girl' and he's playing 'nice old man' imo.

yes a 82 year old legend


And a Trash Rock girl

[Lostie!]

Where has this fantasy that BB used to be some high-brow, classy show come from?

I do agree that the housemates who go on about things like this are dire, but they're not really new to BB.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by jet

Yep, that's the problem right there. Some members of the Great British public think there is nothing AT ALL amiss when a young girl talks about anal fingering in the company of an 82 year old man who is most probably a grand - dad and who should be respected BECAUSE he is 82.
Whatever happened to respect for our elders - unless they prove completely unworthy of it?
I'm far from a prude, but young girls that talk like Jasmine and that bed peeing girl just turn me right off.
I'm a good bit younger that Lionel, but I understand his distaste.

In all fairness Jet Lionel shouldn't even be in there and I don't now for the life of me why he agreed to do it even if he was offered a good bit of money. He is years older than anyone else and there is a good percentage of young 'hip' people who can be crude and maybe a bit rude but they will get drunk and say stupid things, everyone does at some stage of their life. Jasmine was completely hammered and if she wasn't I am sure she wouldn't even have mentioned it and definitely not in front of Lionel. Im disappointed Lionel and even Jim are in the house because they will bring NOTHING to the show in my opinion. I don't mind older people being in the house but for Gods sake they should have some kind of PERSONALITY

[chuff me dizzy]

I think CBB has sunk to new depths this year with the choice of some of the housemates ,we have Jasmine talking filth within a couple of hours of going in the house ,we have Dappy perving like a bitch on heat ,NOT entertaining,Luissas VT was verging on soft porn before she even got in the doors

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rionablue

In all fairness Jet Lionel shouldn't even be in there and I don't now for the life of me why he agreed to do it even if he was offered a good bit of money. He is years older than anyone else and there is a good percentage of young 'hip' people who can be crude and maybe a bit rude but they will get drunk and say stupid things, everyone does at some stage of their life. Jasmine was completely hammered and if she wasn't I am sure she wouldn't even have mentioned it and definitely not in front of Lionel. Im disappointed Lionel and even Jim are in the house because they will bring NOTHING to the show in my opinion. I don't mind older people being in the house but for Gods sake they should have some kind of PERSONALITY

Why shouldnt Lionel be in there ?

[Niamh.]

The only thing that bothered me about Lionals reaction to Jasmins comments was that he was extremely sexist because he made it about her being female, like if one of the guys had said it it would have been fine

[arista]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why shouldnt Lionel be in there ?

Yes having 82 year old
that Smokes


Is amazing


Gives the show Balance