[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Urgh it's all such a mess isn't it. She's quite clearly violated laws then And it's not as though she could claim ignorance given her position, her knowledge of the system and her husband being an ex president etc... I think it's due to arrogance, her thinking she could just do what she wanted, so it's obviously worrying to consider that someone who thinks like that could be president.

Yeah that's why I was satisfied with not voting for either of them. I tried to get Cruz in instead of Trump , but yet here we are.

Maybe we need another debate and Trump can invite the FBI director's Monica Lewinsky as one of his guests...

[Toy Soldier]

Hmm. And anyone who believes that Trump has never broken any law in his business dealings has to be a sandwich short of a picnic.

So essentially what you have... is the most powerful country in the world holding a binary leadership election, and both options are criminals who should probably be doing 8+ years in prison, rather than an 8 year stretch as president.

shambles.

[Jamie89]

This is an interesting overview on it all...

Hillary Clinton emails - what's it all about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31806907

Clinton staffers told the FBI that they destroyed some of the replaced devices with a hammer while they could not account for others

[Toy Soldier]

Ooh Trump down to 11/4 (just under 3/1). I got the sucker at 5/1. Let's hope for more leaks!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. And anyone who believes that Trump has never broken any law in his business dealings has to be a sandwich short of a picnic.

So essentially what you have... is the most powerful country in the world holding a binary leadership election, and both options are criminals who should probably be doing 8+ years in prison, rather than an 8 year stretch as president.

shambles.

Yeah the argument is basically 'which one is worse?' not which one is best... probably shouldn't be the case considering the job they're going for!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

This is an interesting overview on it all...

Hillary Clinton emails - what's it all about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31806907

Clinton staffers told the FBI that they destroyed some of the replaced devices with a hammer while they could not account for others

this is what i'm saying, clinton had this done after the investigation in to her had started .... its the equivalent of putting evidence in the shredder .... and this woman can be trusted to be president?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah the argument is basically 'which one is worse?' not which one is best... probably shouldn't be the case considering the job they're going for!

It's partially the public's fault. People want to vote for a hero who will play Chuck Norris to our enemies abroad, have God-like focus on the issues, solve all arguments with a pen stroke and basically be the Pokemon Master of DC.

Few people also vote in primaries which means we are stuck with the same "safe" choices over and over again... except the ppl who vote in them don't vote on steady options now... they vote based on rhetoric/desire to reform (wildcard candidates).

We can have a reasonably good president to run the country if our expectations were more realistic and we looked at people's record, not how charismatic they are on TV. We also put too much pressure on such a person to solve the nation's issues when it should involve the entire nation/government. Also who would want that job coupled with all the scandals, unfair scrutiny and ridiculous rhetoric going around?... oh yeah, people who are power hungry and are obsessed with fame. That attracts the worst kind of candidate.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah the argument is basically 'which one is worse?' not which one is best... probably shouldn't be the case considering the job they're going for!

Same was true of the last UK General Election, to be fair. Just with less criminal activity and misogyny, more awkward sandwich skills and pig-****ery. We so British.

[Tom4784]

She could sacrifice a child every month on the full moon to an ancient Blood God and she'd still be a better candidate for the presidency than Trump.

[Maru]

Youtube video

Don't like Rudy Giuliani all that much, but his analysis at the end...

[Withano]

The saddest thing about this nobody could ever design her an email which would make her a worse candidate than Trump.

Its a bad year for the Western world.

[Maru]

Clinton making a statement...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Maru

Clinton making a statement...

is she resigning from the race?

[Maru]

Another live feed. Go back about 10 minutes to see her statement.

Youtube video

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

is she resigning from the race?

That would only be a good thing if a third party came in to take over

Supposedly according to CNN, someone asked her as she was leaving from making her statement if she was worried if this would sink her campaign and she let out a "defiant" laugh as they termed it...

[bitontheslide]

i think she is going to wear her favourite brass neck and sit it out

[Ammi]

...what a grim mess for poor America...and obviously possible world repercussions...





..I think it's easy to think haha Hilary and then we have to remind ourselves that the alternative is haha Trump.../either way it was never going to be anything other than a lose/lose situation.....there is no 'victory' in Trump becoming president, there is no 'victory' in Hilary either...

[Ammi]

..anyways Clintons Emails taking over from Clintons Cards as the things in vogue to send this Christmas is what the title made me think of...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She could sacrifice a child every month on the full moon to an ancient Blood God and she'd still be a better candidate for the presidency than Trump.

As awful as she is I still think I prefer her over Trump, I think it's because the negatives about him hit at more of an emotional level with his attitudes etc, whereas she's awful in more of a bureaucratic way, like it's hard to feel emotional about emails (as much as what she's done is wrong and stupid and probably makes her wrong for the job). So emotionally I'm kind of apathetic towards her, whereas Trump just makes my skin crawl.

[Ammi]

..in the blue corner we have Donald who may cause the skin crawling of many individuals in the world in his reign of power.../..in the red corner we have Hilary who may cause a worldwide skin crawl in her reign of power..../grim, grim, grim...if only we could all opt out of buying tickets for America's new theme park...

[Liberty4eva]

Sometimes the most informed and honest assessment of things comes from the people you least suspect. This little girl is a lot smarter than most adults (and most people on this forum).

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Sometimes the most informed and honest assessment of things comes from the people you least suspect. This little girl is a lot smarter than most adults (and most people on this forum).

Youtube video

......lovely mama not wanting her daughter to stop believing in fairy-tales ....she's just not had that 'you children are screwed either way darling' chat yet...

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Ammi

......lovely mama not wanting her daughter to stop believing in fairy-tales ....she's just not had that 'you children are screwed either way darling' chat yet...

You gotta admit she is very adorable and she does make a very good case over who to vote for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Sometimes the most informed and honest assessment of things comes from the people you least suspect. This little girl is a lot smarter than most adults (and most people on this forum).

Youtube video

Ohh scary, the indoctrination of children...I wonder if this is how isis do it?

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...out-delay.html

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what a grim mess for poor America...and obviously possible world repercussions...




..I think it's easy to think haha Hilary and then we have to remind ourselves that the alternative is haha Trump.../either way it was never going to be anything other than a lose/lose situation.....there is no 'victory' in Trump becoming president, there is no 'victory' in Hilary either...

This isn't for you specifically Ammi, but after hearing sooo much self-deprecation. But that gif. My opinion is this...

Poor America, my ass. Show up to primaries!!!

As The New York Times calculated, only 9% of Americans voted for the two candidates, and only 14% of eligible adults total.

The Times noted that there are 324 million people in the country; 103 million of them children, noncitizens or felons, and thus ineligible to vote. 73 million people who did not vote in the primaries will likely vote in the general election. 60 million people actually voted in the primaries, but only half of those voted for Trump and Clinton.

It's a sad time for all of us for sure, but only because people should be more involved if they really care about the future of this country and they weren't there when the country needed them most. Why sweat what happens after this? I won't because I voted. Maybe this needs to happen so people will wake up from their FB/Instagram binge?

The good thing about this election is that it proves that people are hungry for better option(s), so there is hope. If I can raise funds to help a sick dog within days with no preexisting network/no followers on social media, then surely we can help fund a new party or group of people to get in and shake up the govt. People wanted a quick fix. They got it alright, except what they got was a fixed election instead.

Change is never going to be easy. I could be like some others and be upset over it but why? Can you really expect your voice to be heard if you don't actually vote?? I'm proud to live in a country where at least we can vote. I have 0 regrets and if someone whines about the choices and then tells me they didn't vote in the primary, I give them an earful.