[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We live in a world where Right Wing extremists and incels are often planning attacks on politicians and, more often then not, it's female politicians in particular that are targetted.

Leaders must be smart in the terminology they use, when you look at recent shootings in the US, the common link between most of them is that most of these shooters idolised and adhered to Trump's 'philosophies' and the language he uses resonated with them. When a person in power calls people traitors for not doing what he wants them to, when he uses terms of war to make out that Brexit is a battle situation and not an parliamentary procedure, he is inspiring the crazies to take action.

When you downplay the emotions and fears of these MPs who have lost a colleague and know all too well how easily it could have been them, you're not defending the right wing, you're defending the extremists, you're downplaying what happened to Jo Cox and you're downplaying the very real threat of Right Wing terrorism because you see 'Right Wing' and you automatically jump to it's defense out of nothing more than tribalism.

Absolutely this post is one of your very best.

It's sad posts like it are needed.

Johnson and others fuel some of the worst divisions there are in the Country.

The PMs repeated use of inflammatory terms all through is just playing to the truly awful hard-line extremists in the Con party.
Particularly the Con membership.

Many Conservative voters will not agree or support his use of wording.

After the murder, brutal murder of an unarmed woman doing her job.
I found Con voters devastated by it wanting to support Labour activists and Labour voters.
That murder should always be in the minds of anyone making public speeches.
To moderate terminology used, to try to help ensure it never happens again.

Sadly I fear it will and with this PM who, when someone points out the possible dangers MPs face.
Dismisses the points raised using a statement, he'd never heard such humbug.
Shocking.

All Parties have MPs who are getting some awful threats made against them and their families and even their children.

The disgraceful man who targeted Rees-Moggs children publicly.
Absolutely disgraceful.

It is the case, most threats are from faceless individuals hiding behind anonymity.
Some are happy to be really acidic verbally with idle threats.

Then there is the extremists, who are so unstable they will act on the threats they make.
Or worse, who just act without warning.

Such as with Jo Cox.

Terminology being used to fuel the already tense divisions that exist is of a danger level that should be unacceptable.
Johnson and Farage are the main instigators of fuelling divisions.

Then we get the real extremists who act, thinking a licence has been given them to.

Johnson was a disgrace as a PM in the exchanges yesterday.

Sadly, MPs are rarely seen in a good light but some have never been more possibly in danger of harm or death even, as they are now.

Any major figures, not just in politics, speaking publicly need to be made to set out to not incite division and hate but to work to eradicate it.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you suggesting I would be happy with this?... is this how your mind has twisted my words?.. Sorry that is beyond feeble.
You correlated what i said to mean i dont want them dead, so I must want him dead?

I wasn't even on about you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I wasn't even on about you.

You quoted me?... Did you mean the MPs last night upset at receiving death threats would be silent if Johnson was attacked? Sorry that's an equally pathetic view.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's OK, he has a snorkel.

love your humour Alf and that screeching woman who brought Jo Cox into the discussion was disgraceful

[Vicky.]

Using a dead woman as a tool in a political argument is just vile. Honestly, I haven't read up properly on this yet, but it seems a common tactic and its horrendous.

Edited to add. IF it was in a 'we don't want something like Jo Cox's murder to happen again' then obviously its fine. If its in a 'stop/go through with Brexit, honour her memory!!11' then not, at all. My husband caught the back end of it and said it was the second, it might have started as the first. Not sure as I havent watched/read anything yet so maybe shouldnt comment.

[Vicky.]

OK from reading this thread looks like he got the wrong end of the stick too.

The threats MPs get, and especially female MPs are vile. I remember Jess Phillips I think it was, saying she got hundreds of death and rape threats for speaking out on womens rights..its just awful :/

[Twosugars]

The clown is aping trump.
Ramping up the language to sow divisions.
He will try to claim parliament and judiciary are against "the people"

So much for uniting the country he promised

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The clown is aping trump.
Ramping up the language to sow divisions.
He will try to claim parliament and judiciary are against "the people"

So much for uniting the country he promised

Language is a beautiful thing, especially the English one. I'd take language over violence any day.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
Its easy to attack a Female MP
but keep dragging Jo Cox up
is wrong

It's only 'wrong' because it's highlighting that extreme words can lead to extreme actions and it's making your 'side' look bad.

[Alf]

It's funny that for the past 3 years, remoaners have been calling leavers, Nazis, fascists, far-right, bigots, racists, little Englanders.

And now they're demanding some sort of anger from people about language being used against them.

[Alf]

"The language a the tone" it's not yet 11.30am and I've heard that said close to a hundred times already today. Mainstream news is so boring.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Language is a beautiful thing, especially the English one. I'd take language over violence any day.

Do you any other languages to compare?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's funny that for the past 3 years, remoaners have been calling leavers, Nazis, fascists, far-right, bigots, racists, little Englanders.

And now they're demanding some sort of anger from people about language being used against them.

The only person bringing up nazis was bojo when he compared EU to nazi Germany

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Do you any other languages to compare?

Oui

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only 'wrong' because it's highlighting that extreme words can lead to extreme actions and it's making your 'side' look bad.

The Evil Punk that Murdered
that Labour Lady MP
is on his own.


He is Nothing to do with My Winning Side

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

The Evil Punk that Murdered
that Labour Lady MP
is on his own.


He is Nothing to do with My Winning Side

He took inspiration from your leave politicians

A product of their rhetoric

Your side owns him

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Oui

Alors combien de francais connaissez-vous vraiment, juste oui?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

He took inspiration from your leave politicians

A product of their rhetoric

Your side owns him

I don't recall any leave politician telling people to go out and kill MPs. So if he was inspired by them, then he misunderstood them.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The only person bringing up nazis was bojo when he compared EU to nazi Germany

David Lammy compared Leaver MPs to Nazis and then said 'he didn't go far enough' when he was challenged on it

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Alf

"The language a the tone" it's not yet 11.30am and I've heard that said close to a hundred times already today. Mainstream news is so boring.

Since I posted this, just watching Sky news alone, I've heard the word "language" said 57 times (I've been counting, play along) It's like they're trying to push something to distract from something else, but trying way too hard

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

Language is a beautiful thing, especially the English one. I'd take language over violence any day.

the stench at the disrespectfulness for the scottish, Welsh, northern irish languages

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the stench at the disrespectfulness for the scottish, Welsh, northern irish languages

They all use the English language too, mainly.

[Twosugars]

The European commission has joined those reprimanding Boris Johnson for the language he used in the Commons last night about his opponent. This is what the commission’s spokeswoman, Mina Andreeva, said on the subject.

We would remind everybody that respect is a fundamental value in all democracies. It is the responsibility of each and every politician to uphold our values. History has shown us what happens when they are not respected.

Wise words from Europe

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

Since I posted this, just watching Sky news alone, I've heard the word "language" said 57 times (I've been counting, play along) It's like they're trying to push something to distract from something else, but trying way too hard

Its ridiculous how its all homed in on this but it must be nectar to the opposition who seem to have forgotten it was that screeching woman who first brought Jo Cox into the debate , they are like kids in a playground. if he'de have said fook off I could understand it,but really humbug ? BAH

[Alf]

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?