[Abraxas]

I think any limit on expression is bad news. Limiting expression only serves to harbour more hate because people aren't allowed to express their views in words, some may even end up becoming so frustrated that they are restricted in this way that they resort to violence.

[Ron21]

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[Ron21]

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[spitfire]

Originally posted by Abraxas
I think any limit on expression is bad news. Limiting expression only serves to harbour more hate because people aren't allowed to express their views in words, some may even end up becoming so frustrated that they are restricted in this way that they resort to violence.

In an adult world i agree but on forums like this,where children come onto then i feel there should be some form of censorship which is what i said in my first post.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Ron21
Okay Spitfire, well, I hope we are both on the right track now!

No hard feelings by the way,

None what so ever.

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by spitfire

In an adult world i agree but on forums like this,where children come onto then i feel there should be some form of censorship which is what i said in my first post.

I suppose you are right but we couldn't have it both ways. Children always have access to things which adults also have access to +I think when the swear word is censored here children realise what it is anyway but it would just seem more polite to cover it.

Maybe all the swear words should "unlock" after the kids are in bed? Say 11pm?

[Ron21]

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[bananarama]

I don't like swearing but the fact is these days it's more likely adults need protecting from children that swear worse than they do.....


Censoring swearing in this day and age is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted. A pointless jesture that I suppose makes moderators feel good about themselves but serves absoloutly no perpose in todays real world...........Kids will still sweare like troopers moderators or no moderators. Censorship or no censorship........

[Dr43%er]

So should tibb drop it's standards just because society in general has?

[Pipergun]

Originally posted by spitfire
How would you feel about me starting a thread with the title along the lines of......I hate Jay i wish we could vote the Queer,Black ni**er out! Ok or should it be edited/censored?How do you think Black and/or gay members of the forum would feel.Don't get me wrong,i believe in freedom of speach,to an extent but there most be some rules.

I agree that there is a need for some rules, as people need to know that a certain way of talking is unacceptable, but I believe, like all of you seem to, that modern society has taken it far too far.

Just to illustrate my case, a crematorium around half an hour away from where I live was recently ordered to take down the cross on it's roof, cause it "offended members of other religions" who felt it gave an unfair "bias" within the local community. How ridiculous is that?

Also though, let's also be partially thankful for what we have: President Putin in Russia recently arrested the leaders of all parties who opposed the way in which the Russian elections of late last year were conducted. That has to be the most extreme example! Scary stuff!

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So should tibb drop it's standards just because society in general has?

I agree with you. We truly believe that to allow swearing would do nothing to add value to the forum. This forum runs fine without swear words and I see no reason for us to change that. If people are not able to have a discussion without swearing then it is a very sad day.

I think that political correctness like everything else has its place. I certainly wouldnt want to go to a government office and be spoken to like a piece of rubbish. I like that there are ways we are expected to behave that make us appear more civilised. I do think that there is a lot of PC madness as well though. I wonder where we draw the line and who draws the line? Christmas is becoming a thing of the past, we now have winter festivals! We are multi cultural when is suits us and "British" when it doesnt!

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So should tibb drop it's standards just because society in general has?

It's not a question of standards but a question of present day reality. As most kids swear hear swearing at home and in the schools it is a pointless jesture to think they are being protected from bad language when they themselves use it

"Standards" anyway are just a perception based on the beliefs of some but not all. Imposing standards is a form censorship/dictatorship. Censorship sweeps reality under the carpet. Pretends to do good but really makes no difference.....Therfore is completely pointless.......

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by bananarama

It's not a question of standards but a question of present day reality. As most kids swear hear swearing at home and in the schools it is a pointless jesture to think they are being protected from bad language when they themselves use it

"Standards" anyway are just a perception based on the beliefs of some but not all. Imposing standards is a form censorship/dictatorship. Censorship sweeps reality under the carpet. Pretends to do good but really makes no difference.....Therfore is completely pointless.......

Lets remember though that is all just your opinion.

I think that standards are important, I like my children to speak properly, not to swear and to behave in a situation appropriate manner. They are good girls who I know are not angels but when they are with me or other adults they are polite and dont swear and they are 14 & 20. What they do with their friends is up to them but I have equipped them to cope and behave in a polite, appropriate manner.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Lets remember though that is all just your opinion.

I think that standards are important, I like my children to speak properly, not to swear and to behave in a situation appropriate manner. They are good girls who I know are not angels but when they are with me or other adults they are polite and dont swear and they are 14 & 20. What they do with their friends is up to them but I have equipped them to cope and behave in a polite, appropriate manner.

Yes it's my opinion as is yours.

I understand your desire for proper standards as percieved by your idea as to what proper standards should be. But of course people have changing ideas about standard as society changes.

Don't get me wrong I don't like bad language I would rather not hear it or say it. My whole point is that society has reached a tipping point to which trying to protect youngsters from something they probably do behind their parents back is a pointless excercise.

Censorship is an attemt to do good but futile as times have changed byond the pretence of thinking you can change the status quo. As for polical correctness in my opinion it has no just place at all in a society that claims to believe in free speech....

Words are word and people should have the strength of character to be able to deal with them without running to nanny state or nanny anybody....

[Jake!]

I think to a certain extend Political Correctness is great, but these days its gone too far....

[Dr43%er]

So all kids swear so we should allow it. Most kids will know how to watch porn on the net if they should so want. So by your thinking porn should not be censored. Shall I be the first to put some hard core porn pics up?

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So all kids swear so we should allow it. Most kids will know how to watch porn on the net if they should so want. So by your thinking porn should not be censored. Shall I be the first to put some hard core porn pics up?

Totally agree, I think that some level of standards is very important. The more aware we are as adults, the more we can guide our children to be better, more responsible, polite adults. Just because we are polite does not mean we give in to pressures of society or agree with everything that we are asked to do.

[Dr43%er]

So I can't post porn then. Oh well.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So I can't post porn then. Oh well.

Hmm I will discuss this with the team but I fear it will be a no

[Dr43%er]

Ok.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So all kids swear so we should allow it. Most kids will know how to watch porn on the net if they should so want. So by your thinking porn should not be censored. Shall I be the first to put some hard core porn pics up?

In the real world the fact is you can't stop them swearing neither can you stop them from other activities like porn drugs under age sex or drink. You set the standards does not mean they keep them beind your back

Censorship is a pretence at doing good that's all........In reality kids and people in general regard censorship as one huge advert saying come and get me.....

Putting something out of bounds attracts more interest and makes it more likely they will stray into wrong areas...........Still that's the British way. Use a sledge hammer to crack a nut.....