[andybigbro]

still voting no.

#bettertogether

[arista]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

still voting no.

#bettertogether

Thats OK Andy
but is still good so many what Freedom
there is also many floating voters

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

still voting no.

#bettertogether

Good to hear that, the family I have in Scotland too are all voting no,I just hope they go out and vote in September.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

still voting no.

#bettertogether

Same

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

People are pretty much people wherever you go. No one's all good, or all bad. Like I keep saying to you.

Good for you thats your generalised pc opinion, I disagree. I think different countries, different cultures, different beliefs, different everything create different people. in my travels I have found scotland to be a wholly frendlier place than england

[CaudleHalbard]

Now that Mr Juncker of the EU has made it clear there will be no new member countries for at least 5 years, it suggests Scotland could be outside the EU for quite a while.

That could have an affect on the voting outcome, as EU membership is pretty crucial to Scotland.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Now that Mr Juncker of the EU has made it clear there will be no new member countries for at least 5 years, it suggests Scotland could be outside the EU for quite a while.

That could have an affect on the voting outcome, as EU membership is pretty crucial to Scotland.

well if the UK votes to leave the EU, maybe Scotland could take their place...

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well if the UK votes to leave the Eu, maybe Scotland could take their place...

Indeed. Lol!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well if the UK votes to leave the EU, maybe Scotland could take their place...

Spain would never let that happen because then they would have to recognise Catalan's claim.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Spain would never let that happen because then they would have to recognise Catalan's claim.

A new federal Scotland would have many friends in the US, and if the UK did leave the EU(which won't ever happen but we are talking hypothetically) the US would do everything in it's power to make sure that Scotland replaced the Uk in the EU. The US has more power in the EU than you think. actually more power than Spain. The US would make sure that we still have powerful friends in the EU, no matter what. (preferably english speaking ones)

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The US has more power in the EU than you think

Oh that's for sure. They are dying for the likes of Ukraine to join.


It is all part of the wider globalisation agenda.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

A new federal Scotland would have many friends in the US, and if the UK did leave the EU(which won't ever happen but we are talking hypothetically) the US would do everything in it's power to make sure that Scotland replaced the Uk in the EU. The US has more power in the EU than you think. actually more power than Spain. The US would make sure that we still have powerful friends in the EU, no matter what. (preferably english speaking ones)

I work in politics Alex, I work for the government now and I've worked with MEPs in the past. I know exactly how much sway the US has in Europe. And since the US was found to be bugging - amongst other people - Angela Merkel's phone for years, let me tell you... your sway used to be small, now it's miniscule. The US would not be able to veto the vote of a state like Spain. It'd be like thinking that Spain could veto the vote of California in a national US vote.

[the truth]

of all the people youd want to upset, merkel was bottom of the list. I can only expect thats done huge damage to US/ EU relations

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I work in politics Alex, I work for the government now and I've worked with MEPs in the past. I know exactly how much sway the US has in Europe. And since the US was found to be bugging - amongst other people - Angela Merkel's phone for years, let me tell you... your sway used to be small, now it's miniscule. The US would not be able to veto the vote of a state like Spain. It'd be like thinking that Spain could veto the vote of California in a national US vote.

If you actually worked in politics, you'd know that spain is seen as a dog in the EU, as a problem. Their economy and their nation as a whole is in the can. They are seen as the FLORIDA of Europe. A place with some valuable property, where the important people buy land, but have no respect for the place where they buy that land from. all of the southern european countries are seen as dogs. The most important countries in the EU are the UK, France, Germany, and the USA, in that order. yes, USA is in the top 4 even though it's not even part of the EU.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

of all the people youd want to upset, merkel was bottom of the list. I can only expect thats done huge damage to US/ EU relations

lol, Merkel was so upset and angered by the revelations about US spying, remind me again what sanctions she's put on the US? or what any ****ing country has done since the Snowden revelations?? oh yea, absolutely NOTHING.

No country has retaliated against the US in any meaningful way because of the Snowden revelations. Because they already knew, and they don't give a ****.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

lol, Merkel was so upset and angered by the revelations about US spying, remind me again what sanctions she's put on the US? or what any ****ing country has done since the Snowden revelations?? oh yea, absolutely NOTHING.

what did u expect? the hindenberg? political machinations are covert and unseen....merkel was seething and rightly so....it was the start of mass expose of the US secret services underhand practices. you honestly dont think there will now be ever growing trust issues which will have innumerable consequences

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

what did u expect? the hindenberg? political machinations are covert and unseen....merkel was seething and rightly so....it was the start of mass expose of the US secret services underhand practices. you honestly dont think there will now be ever growing trust issues which will have innumerable consequences

i know for sure there won't be. because if the US actually pulled out of NATO and actually let Europe be responsible for it's own security, Europe would **** itself, and never agree on anything, imagine Europe being responsible for it's own security? lol i can't. the french, the britsh, the germans all trying to figure out who paid for what equipment, and who would be in charge? LOL what a cluster**** that would be.

Europe needs America more than America needs Europe. There's no doubt about that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you actually worked in politics, you'd know that spain is seen as a dog in the EU, as a problem. Their economy and their nation as a whole is in the can. They are seen as the FLORIDA of Europe. A place with some valuable property, where the important people buy land, but have no respect for the place where they buy that land from. all of the southern european countries are seen as dogs. The most important countries in the EU are the UK, France, Germany, and the USA, in that order. yes, USA is in the top 4 even though it's not even part of the EU.

I do actually work in politics. You're not new here, you knew that. Your perceptions of how European states think of each other has obviously been gained from a combination of the Internet and the American press because it's parsecs off the truth.

I'd be interested to hear what Germany's comments would be regarding the USA being "in Europe", especially after the US was caught out shamefully bugging a European leader and ally. You've burned your bridges rather there, a lot of leniency was withdrawn, I suspect never to return.

Europeans vote in the European elections to elect Members of the European Parliament. Unless I've been misinformed, the USA doesn't get a vote, so you don't get a say.

More interesting still is that you would think you're a part of Europe when so few Americans have a passport and so many couldn't even point to Germany on a map. That's fine... most Europeans couldn't point to Nebraska on a map. But then, we don't imagine we're part of the USA.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i know for sure there won't be. because if the US actually pulled out of NATO and actually let Europe be responsible for it's own security, Europe would **** itself, and never agree on anything, imagine Europe being responsible for it's own security? lol i can't. the french, the britsh, the germans all trying to figure out who paid for what equipment, and who would be in charge? LOL what a cluster**** that would be.

Europe needs America more than America needs Europe. There's no doubt about that.

Alex, the USA government is a mess. You have massive unemployment, racial disharmony, poverty, a shaky economy, massive social divides... every problem Europe faces, the USA also faces. I suggest you get all bent out of shape about your own government before getting all bent out of shape about how big a deal the USA might be in Europe.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Alex, the USA government is a mess. You have massive unemployment, racial disharmony, poverty, a shaky economy, massive social divides... every problem Europe faces, the USA also faces. I suggest you get all bent out of shape about your own government before getting all bent out of shape about how big a deal the USA might be in Europe.

interesting points about US domestic politics Livia, but i don't remember the USA ever asking the EU to help with North American politics... what does that tell you? The Eu still asks the US to get involved in their matters...on a consistent basis. When is Europe gonna stop playing these pathetic games, knowing they depend on the US but pretend to hate America?

When's the last time any European country had any significant influence in The Americas politically? Yet the US is still super important in almost every European issue? So who relies on who?
America is still ****ing important in Europe, but Europe is irrelevant in the Americas.

don't get it twisted babe.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

interesting points about US domestic politics Livia, but i don't remember the USA ever asking the EU to help with North American politics... what does that tell you? The Eu still asks the US to get involved in their matters...on a consistent basis. When is Europe gonna stop playing these pathetic games, knowing they depend on the US but pretend to hate America?

When's the last time any European country had any significant influence in The Americas politically? Yet the US is still super important in almost every European issue? So who relies on who?
America is still ****ing important in Europe, but Europe is irrelevant in the Americas.

don't get it twisted babe.

Why is it so important to you to insist Europe is insignificant in the USA but the USA is a really big deal in Europe? It isn't. When did the EU ask the USA to get involved with European politics? And I have to bang on about this... since the USA was caughty spying on its allies, the USA has lost a massive amount of trust and respect in Europe.

Oh, and a little edit here: No one hates America. Not agreeing that the USA runs the world is not the same as hating them. I love the States, I've lived and worked there, I've travelled there many times. No hate here. Quite the reverse, in fact.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why is it so important to you to insist Europe is insignificant in the USA but the USA is a really big deal in Europe? It isn't. When did the EU ask the USA to get involved with European politics? And I have to bang on about this... since the USA was caughty spying on its allies, the USA has lost a massive amount of trust and respect in Europe.

Oh, and a little edit here: No one hates America. Not agreeing that the USA runs the world is not the same as hating them. I love the States, I've lived and worked there, I've travelled there many times. No hate here. Quite the reverse, in fact.

i find it hard to believe you actually have a career in politics, cause you sound very naive on these issues. sounds more like you have a job in journalism, not politics. no offense babe.

amnd if you think the US isn't a big deal in Europe, check out how much press coverage the US gets in all European countries, then compare how much each of those individual counties gets press coverage in the US. It's clear who is more important to whom.

Then compare the mentions of the US in every european parliament compared to how many mentions each european country is mentioned in the Us congress. I'm not making this **** up babe. if you need quantitative facts, look it up, do the study, i think you know i'm right.

i'm not just making **** up dude.

[Tip]

I don't really understand what the possible implications of Scotland being independent would be.

It seemed that there were so many Scottish MPs in Parliament at one time, that the Scots were running the UK anyway

I have no problem with the concept of Scotland being an independent country but what the reality of the economics and politics would be, I can't really grasp.

[lostalex]

scotland is never going to be an independent country, don't worry. it ain't gonna happen, even if it was gonna happen, it still wouldn't happen. period.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i find it hard to believe you actually have a career in politics, cause you sound very naive on these issues. sounds more like you have a job in journalism, not politics. no offense babe.

amnd if you think the US isn't a big deal in Europe, check out how much press coverage the US gets in all European countries, then compare how much each of those individual counties gets press coverage in the US. It's clear who is more important to whom.

Then compare the mentions of the US in every european parliament compared to how many mentions each european country is mentioned in the Us congress. I'm not making this **** up babe. if you need quantitative facts, look it up, do the study, i think you know i'm right.

i'm not just making **** up dude.

Ah... so you've judged my whole career on a few posts on a forum? You must be astonishingly gifted, Alex. Tell me, what is it you do for a career again? I'm guessing whatever it is, it has nothing to do with politics as you're so uninformed, and nothing to do with diplomacy, as you've just insulted my career and my qualifications by erroneously calling me naive when the boot is quite firmly on the other foot. No offence, babe.

I adore you Alex, but you make yourself look a little silly when you persist with "Team America" nonsense. And yeah, you are pretty much making this **** up, dude.