[MTVN]

Not according to what the bar manager said:

Ben Reynolds, area manager of Pi Bar, described the incident as an 'unfortunate misunderstanding'.

He said: 'I would first and foremost like to apologise to Ms Hampson for any upset or embarrassment caused.

'I can fully understand her grievances and can completely understand why she felt upset.

'I would like to state that we have no company policy on the serving or not serving of alcohol to pregnant people. Why would we? It’s none of our business.

'What occurred was simply the result of a junior member of staff making a mistake and getting his wires crossed.

'He is deeply sorry for upsetting Ms Hampson and assures me that he was not, as I fear she believes, making a judgment on her, but rather thought for some reason, despite his training, that licensing laws forbade the serving of alcohol to pregnant people.

'However I can understand, given the unfortunate way he appears to have said it, why Ms Hampson felt he was insinuating otherwise. I would very much like to get in contact with Ms Hampson to apologise directly.'

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Would say it was more because he went against company policy and was the one to make a big deal out of in the first place by not just serving her a small glass of wine

Reading some of the articles he didn't make a big deal, she did. Lol.

In the slim chance something happened to her or her baby because of that drink then he could be held liable.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not according to what the bar manager said:

I think this bar manager is going to get worse backlash for not sticking up for his staff member. I'm already seeing many comments about him.

[Kizzy]

It was rude, unnecessary and ill informed...
There are far too many 'know alls' around that feel they have a right to preach to others without being aware of the facts.
I for one can understand her feelings at the implication she was acting irresponsibly.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was rude, unnecessary and ill informed...
There are far too many 'know alls' around that feel they have a right to preach to others without being aware of the facts.
I for one can understand her feelings at the implication she was acting irresponsibly.

He wasn't preaching nor claiming to know everything about pregnancy, so wrong use of words there. Nor was he rude about it, maybe ill-informed, but he was not rude.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was rude, unnecessary and ill informed...
There are far too many 'know alls' around that feel they have a right to preach to others without being aware of the facts.
I for one can understand her feelings at the implication she was acting irresponsibly.

He wasn't preaching nor claiming to know everything about pregnancy, so wrong use of words there. Nor was he rude about it, maybe ill-informed, but he was not rude.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

He wasn't preaching nor claiming to know everything about pregnancy, so wrong use of words there. Nor was he rude about it, maybe ill-informed, but he was not rude.

He claimed it was bar policy, it wasn't.
His insinuation was rude that she was acting in a way that was detrimental to her child.
Overall he was ill informed and made a customer feel embarrassed and humiliated due to his skewed personal opinion.
She was right to challenge him.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He claimed it was bar policy, it wasn't.
His insinuation was rude that she was acting in a way that was detrimental to her child.
Overall he was ill informed and made a customer feel embarrassed and humiliated due to his skewed personal opinion.
She was right to challenge him.

Like I said, maybe he was ill-informed (that comes down to the management not him by the way) but calling him a div and a fool, give over, he was being sensible regarding pregnancy and drinking. I also honestly cannot take you seriously in a debate when you throw around silly insults about a person.

And she cannot have been that humiliated, she seems to want her story to be splashed around as far and wide as possible.

[Benjamin]

I do believe that pregnant women shouldn't drink nor smoke during pregnancy though. One glass of wine might be fine for most women, but not everyone is the same and everyone has different limits, and just that one glass a week could be enough to damage the unborn child. Surely your child is more important than going 9 months without alcohol? It may be a small risk, but it's still a risk.

[Kizzy]

He suggested he didn't want it 'on his conscience'...
It had nothing to do with any bar policy initially, just him being judgemental.
He was being foolish, making assumptions is foolish.
Coffee and cola are to be restricted in pregnancy, I've never seen a Costa employee refuse service.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He suggested he didn't want it 'on his conscience'...
It had nothing to do with any bar policy initially, just him being judgemental.
He was being foolish, making assumptions is foolish.
Coffee and cola are to be restricted in pregnancy, I've never seen a Costa employee refuse service.

Those are nowhere near as common knowledge though so you cannot really compare them.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He suggested he didn't want it 'on his conscience'...
It had nothing to do with any bar policy initially, just him being judgemental.
He was being foolish, making assumptions is foolish.
Coffee and cola are to be restricted in pregnancy, I've never seen a Costa employee refuse service.

No, being foolish is having that glass of wine once a week during pregnancy. A small risk is still a risk.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

I do believe that pregnant women shouldn't drink nor smoke during pregnancy though. One glass of wine might be fine for most women, but not everyone is the same and everyone has different limits, and just that one glass a week could be enough to damage the unborn child. Surely your child is more important than going 9 months without alcohol? It may be a small risk, but it's still a risk.

Well there we have it, you agree as they are your personal feelings too regardless of any supporting evidence.
It was humiliating, and perhaps she wishes to highlight this to ensure another expectant mother isn't shown up by this pariah.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well there we have it, you agree as they are your personal feelings too regardless of any supporting evidence.
It was humiliating, and perhaps she wishes to highlight this to ensure another expectant mother isn't shown up by this pariah.

Like I said, if it was that humiliating she wouldn't be getting it broadcast to the whole world. Also, why do I need to back up my personal opinions with supporting evidence, the risks may be small, but a life of an unborn child is more important than a glass of wine.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

Those are nowhere near as common knowledge though so you cannot really compare them.

I can... I just did there.
Just because someone ignorant to the facts took it upon himself to act as her personal physician, prohibiting her from alcohol as 'booze bad' does not mean he was right.
There is no evidence to support that at that 125ml quantity wine is any more detrimental to her child than coffee or cola.... none.

[Roy Mars III]

Batman can do whatever he wants

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can... I just did there.
Just because someone ignorant to the facts took it upon himself to act as her personal physician, prohibiting her from alcohol as 'booze bad' does not mean he was right.
There is no evidence to support that at that 125ml quantity wine is any more detrimental to her child than coffee or cola.... none.

Unless you are pregnant, have been pregnant or have been informed of coffee and cola, many people would not know about those things.

Alcohol is common one along with smoking that is often spoken about. So not really comparable.

[Benjamin]

And there may not be clear evidence, but there is still a massive uncertainty into how much alcohol is actually safe to drink. It's a risk that should not be taken.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

Like I said, if it was that humiliating she wouldn't be getting it broadcast to the whole world. Also, why do I need to back up my personal opinions with supporting evidence, the risks may be small, but a life of an unborn child is more important than a glass of wine.

You don't have to repeat yourself ben, you don't have to back it ... I already checked there is no evidence that 125ml pw of wine has ANY adverse effect on foetal development.
So where does the supposition come from that it does?
Ignorance.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You don't have to repeat yourself ben, you don't have to back it ... I already checked there is no evidence that 125ml pw of wine has ANY adverse effect on foetal development.
So where does the supposition come from that it does?
Ignorance.

No, not ignorance. Ignorance is saying that there is no evidence so it must be fine, even though there is still a lot of uncertainty on that area.

[Benjamin]

It is not yet clear whether there is any small amount of drinking in pregnancy that might be completely safe from the risk of FASD. Therefore, pregnant women are advised to avoid all alcohol during pregnancy.
FASD and FAS-related disabilities carry on into adulthood, and because those effects due to drinking alcohol would have been completely prevented if the mother had not drunk during pregnancy, it is considered important to take a precautionary approach in advising on risk.
Read the answers to more questions about pregnancy.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2270.asp...oryID=54#close

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

No, not ignorance. Ignorance is saying that there is no evidence so it must be fine, even though there is still a lot of uncertainty on that area.

That is pretty fuzzy logic ben, there is no evidence to support that that level of consumption is unsafe, and and yet you suggest that it is still uncertain...
When will it be certain?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is pretty fuzzy logic ben, there is no evidence to support that that level of consumption is unsafe, and and yet you suggest that it is still uncertain...
When will it be certain?

No, it is called playing it safe to the bundle of life that you are carrying and bringing into the world. And you worded your last sentence incorrectly, it's actually; there is no evidence to support that any level of consumption is safe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

No, it is called playing it safe to the bundle of life that you are carrying and bringing into the world. And you worded your last sentence incorrectly, it's actually; there is no evidence to support that any level of consumption is safe.

No, It's called adhering to governmental guidelines which (once again) state that 1 125ml measure of wine per week has never been found to have any adverse effect on an unborn child.
I can't copy and paste but that is the information I've seen.
We all have our own opinions though, let's leave it.

[Benjamin]

I stand by my opinions and from the fact there is no concrete evidence, whether people agree or not. I place more importance on a new life over a glass of wine.

But yes, let's leave it.