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23-11-2016, 09:41 AM | #51 | |||
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23-11-2016, 09:45 AM | #52 | |||
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Well can I ask what is then Niamh, in your opinion?
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23-11-2016, 09:47 AM | #53 | |||
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You are entitled to your thoughts Ammi of course, just as I am to mine, as long as we have a civil discussion which we always do there are no issues IMO, have a great day!
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23-11-2016, 09:54 AM | #54 | |||
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In my opinion, most of the SDs section is incapable of debating a topic without insulting other posters, ganging up on people with their buddies before they even do anything wrong yet they refuse to recognise the fact that they themselves and their friends do exactly the same sort of things. I think all sides are guilty (not all posters but certainly people from eachside because all of a sudden there does seem to be an Us against them sort of a scenario playing out) And I think that nobody is willing to take a look at themselves and say, I may be contributing to this, they will just happily blame "the otherside" so until people can try to make some changes themselves then i can't see how things are ever going to change because at the end of the day we can only change our own behaviour not anyone elses.
It's a shame but SDs is not a nice place to be right now and it's a complete nightmare to try to moderate
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23-11-2016, 09:58 AM | #55 | ||
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Debate/discussion on serious issues will always involve disagreement. If some are going to throw a tantrum when they feel the debate is not going the way they want it to go and want the debate shutdown - what is the point of any debate.
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23-11-2016, 10:03 AM | #56 | |||
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I agree with the overall sentiment of your post but I have my own opinion of just who are the main culprits, but although I am entitled to that opinion, I cannot publish it because of the Forum rules (and I would not anyway) but you can be assured that if I did, my opinion would split the forum in half at least. And that is the nature of the beast - disagreeing with OPINION on a Debate Forum, but I still maintain, that it is when FACTS are denied and dismissed out of hand because those facts completely disprove an opinion and there is NO argument to them, that name calling begins and trouble starts.
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23-11-2016, 10:05 AM | #57 | |||
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.....yeah I pretty much agree in that there is so little responsibility taken for the self-participation in these things and how they often progress the way they do.../we can never control what other people do or say...all we can do is to look at ourselves and our own part and 'who said what first' becomes irrelevant and will only ever result in the same old, same old and the same old spoiling of any debate or discussion... |
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23-11-2016, 10:10 AM | #58 | |||
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Look I'm sure you do and I'm sure I can probably guess who, in your opinion are the main culprits, I could also guess that all these culprits are on the "otherside" My only advice which will no doubt be ignored is to ignore posts that you think have crossed the line from debating the topic to insulting a poster and report it, there needs to be atleast two people involved to have an argument
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23-11-2016, 10:12 AM | #59 | |||
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a) Do not post any facts which disprove - often irrational, erroneous, and BIGOTED views. b) Do not submit any posts which COUNTER certain members views - no matter how civilly such counter responses may be? c) Let us all agree with the prevailing Liberal Left opinions on here - no matter how misguided, banal and ill informed they may be. In short then Ammi - let all of us who have dissenting voices STOP posting on Serious Debates and leave all those who are like-minded upon here to it?
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23-11-2016, 10:13 AM | #60 | ||
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These things are posted repeatedly simply for the "fun" of bashing the bricks together until one breaks or they both crumble. In short: There are no debates nor discussions. And yes it is quite depressing, and boring. |
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23-11-2016, 10:14 AM | #61 | |||
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I am not bum-licking, but I have always found you to be fair and friendly, so I REALLY do respect your opinion.
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23-11-2016, 10:17 AM | #62 | |||
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..now then Kirk, my post didn't say anything you have said, that is your own interpretation and your own responsibility for that interpretation so that's absolutely fine also...it does go a little way though to show the vein of posts/the vein of replies etc in some compared to others of a personal agenda because basically agreeing with what Niamh said, I have a very different vein of response ...interesting... |
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23-11-2016, 10:20 AM | #63 | |||
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23-11-2016, 10:21 AM | #64 | |||
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Thanks Kirk. Look SDs has always gone through periods like this, i guess it's inevitable when peoples personalities clash and we get close to some people and very eh.....unclose to others The current Political climate around the world is very divisive at the moment too and it seems to be if you're not on my side you're against me and all I stand for sort of thing? Me personally i feel like I'm somewhere in the middle with it all
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23-11-2016, 10:24 AM | #65 | |||
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23-11-2016, 10:24 AM | #66 | ||
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Personally I am finding some comments/discussion at the moment rather patronising. I feel there should be room for both in-depth discussion and less in-depth discussion on subjects that interest many people. Almost sounds a little elitist. As long as people are not being over-the-top with their 'insults' I don't see any significant problems.
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23-11-2016, 10:29 AM | #67 | |||
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But THAT is NOT how this is thread has played out and it is NO 'Stellar Example'. There have been 33 posts ensuing from this Topic being posted, a lot of them intelligent and serious, and some light relief as well, BEFORE the "I'm Quitting" post by Kizzy - since which there have been a further 32 posts - how is that indicative of 'No Debate' or 'Discussion'? There are PLENTY of members who DO want 'Academic Discussion' - THAT is beyond question.
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23-11-2016, 10:36 AM | #68 | |||
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Or rather, the threads operate more like political Trump vs Clinton, Labour vs Tory, "debates" rather than academic debates - i.e. people seem to believe that the point of the debate is simply to present their own argument, which they believe 100% and unshakably, in such a way that "the audience" will be swayed by their immense proof and skillful oratory. Except that there is no audience, and as such, it's a complete waste of time. Anyone who is on here "debating" who feels that they have no capacity for altering their opinion in any way is wasting their time, and that currently - quite simply - applies to the majority of threads. It DOES make me sad because I honestly don't think it has always been so static and stale. Even to use us an example; in our early days there were CONSTANT arguments that would stem from simply misunderstanding each other completely, something that I don't think has happened for a long time. There used to be plenty of compromise and thoughtfulness alongside the bickering name-calling... those things are not the problem. It's how self-assured everyone has become, and how quickly threads descend into back-patting and circlejerking. |
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23-11-2016, 01:55 PM | #71 | ||
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Well said Cherie. By the way, why are men from Algeria and Morocco there? I thought those centres were only from people escaping from war torn regions?
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23-11-2016, 02:01 PM | #72 | ||
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If the dumb b...... who set fire to the place found out that gummibears are made from pig skins, who knows what they'll do.
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23-11-2016, 02:02 PM | #73 | ||
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If those dumbasses who set fire to the place knew that gummibears are made from pig skins, who knows what they would do?
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23-11-2016, 02:14 PM | #74 | ||
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I used to love reading in here although I just don't have the inclination to post very often so maybe my opinion won't be welcome, but.... now it's often 'here's another incident that proves my opinion is the correct one'. Is there really any point wanting a 'debate' about 2 bad eggs in an immigrant camp carrying out some criminal activity? All those similar stories have been 'debated' with nothing new being said...and anyone could search the news and find stories of bad eggs carrying out criminal activity who are not immigrants in immigrant camps....lets have all those stories.... Is it really surprising or 'debate worthy' anyway when people thrown together in a camp, far from home, with growing tensions and uncertainty a way of life for them commit more crime than is normal than they would if living in a settled and familiar society? Last edited by jet; 23-11-2016 at 02:18 PM. |
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23-11-2016, 02:20 PM | #75 | |||
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