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19-02-2018, 06:05 PM | #51 | ||
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Oh ffs, Vicky's not suggesting the thread will change anything.
There's a difference between someone adopting a less serious tone in their reply and people just swapping jokes and having a full page of circumcision related puns. It's funny, but when it accounts for most of what is supposed to be a discussion then I understand where she's coming from. /And so ends the one and only mod defence post coming from Marsh |
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19-02-2018, 06:05 PM | #52 | |||
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I wasn't lecturing i'm just telling you . But Female one will always be alot worse as there's nothing to be removed it's literally mutilation and child abuse , but at the same time it's debate able about the male one . |
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19-02-2018, 06:06 PM | #53 | ||
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Talking about it won't stop it I'm afraid.
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19-02-2018, 06:06 PM | #54 | ||
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Neither of us joked about it though. |
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19-02-2018, 06:07 PM | #55 | ||
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19-02-2018, 06:09 PM | #56 | |||
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But adults have this done aswell , i wonder if it feels weirder for them . |
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19-02-2018, 06:09 PM | #57 | ||
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It's not vicki's point it's my point, plus some men pay to have circumcisions and some women have their labi cut for the look
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19-02-2018, 06:09 PM | #58 | |||
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I read somewhere that somewhere in the high 90's% of Icelanders don't believe in God so I doubt they're bothered
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19-02-2018, 06:13 PM | #59 | ||
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No you were talking about Vicky not allowing jokes in a serious debate that "talking about it won't change it" when that wasn't her point when deleting the jokes.
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19-02-2018, 06:17 PM | #60 | |||
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Plenty of non religious people have it done for those silly hygiene reasons and because of cosmetic or medical reasons . |
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19-02-2018, 06:28 PM | #61 | |||
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Good news. I think circumcision itself is fine if somebody chooses to have it done and it certainly can have health benefits (such as with HIV rates for example) so it's not really in the same league as FGM, but I'm strongly against it being done to babies, I think that aspect of it is barbaric, it's enforced mutilation, and even though there are benefits it still isn't necessary.
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19-02-2018, 06:29 PM | #62 | ||
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19-02-2018, 06:39 PM | #63 | |||
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Yeah i've never understood why or how babies getting their ears pierced has been acceptable , plus how does the baby stay still and not cry their eyes out . I think it's better when they're grown up like 14 atleast to make their own decision to have it done . How does it really make much difference though with HIV rates ?? , surely no matter if you're circumcised or not if you're careless with your sexual partners then you're still risking yourself ? . Last edited by GoldHeart; 19-02-2018 at 06:42 PM. |
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19-02-2018, 06:54 PM | #64 | |||
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It actually has a really big impact on HIV rates, it's most commonly transmitted through the foreskin rather than the penis which is why circumcised men have such lower rates of it (it can also be transmitted other ways it's just much rarer). But yeah that's not a reason imo to mutilate babies. Like you say there are other ways to prevent disease so it isn't a necessity.
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19-02-2018, 07:12 PM | #65 | ||
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Good.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that ANY and ALL religious ceremonies, rituals or practices performed on children who are not yet mentally competent enough to understand and indeed consent to what's going on - should be outlawed. I don't care what YOU want to believe in, that's your prerogative, but stop forcing it on children who have no say in the matter. I was baptised as a child and whilst in the grand scheme of things it's not really important, I've always been pretty angry with my parents for doing it when I'm now an atheist. Keep ya kids out of religion. Let them think for themselves. |
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19-02-2018, 07:18 PM | #66 | |||
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Oh wait I just realised you were asking what he had to do differently lmao... hmm it might be a bit too explicit I'm not sure basically it was just with how he touched it/how I touched it, there's practical differences with not having a foreskin, as well as that you're losing some nerves and exposing other nerves which makes how and where you touch differently too.
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19-02-2018, 07:20 PM | #67 | |||
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I was circumcised for medical reasons and personally I feel like that's the only time it should be performed.
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19-02-2018, 07:21 PM | #68 | |||
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19-02-2018, 07:47 PM | #69 | |||
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And yeah, the babies cry of course. They do tend to give them a tiny bit of wine on the lips (just a touch) to ease the pain. Still weird.
But there's nothing really special in having it that way...
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19-02-2018, 08:38 PM | #70 | |||
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I'm surprised by all the people calling it mutilation- I think it's a UK thing maybe. Babies do not remember the procedure at all and it actually helps keep that region clean. I don't know why people have any issues with it - If "people were to make their own decision when they're adults" which a lot of you were saying that would be a more painful experience and more traumatic.
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19-02-2018, 08:42 PM | #71 | |||
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^ To add to that the only negative is pain which babies forget about when they're older anyway, and the pros are a reduction in STDs, cancer rates, bacterial growth etc etc so I think it's ridiculous to ban
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19-02-2018, 08:44 PM | #72 | ||
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And as for the "hygiene" reason, that's rubbish. Uncut penises are perfectly fine, as long as the person with that penis is hygienic and washes properly. I think I read somewhere once that Islam says "excrements" could collect under the foreskin and cause cancer. No actual evidence for this whatsoever. It's almost like saying "Let's cut people's arms off because it gets very sweaty and dirty in their armpit otherwise. As opposed to, you know, lifting your arm up and having a wash". Last edited by Marsh.; 19-02-2018 at 08:44 PM. |
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19-02-2018, 08:52 PM | #73 | |||
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It's abuse, for whatever reason it's abuse they don't consent they are too young taking bits off a boy, putting holes in ears all abuse. Glad it's banned.
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19-02-2018, 11:24 PM | #74 | ||
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But those religions will kick up the fuss about it internationally. If you google news you'll see the battle has started. They talk about the ban as a sign of antisemitism and islamophobia, attack on religion and attempt to extinguish Jewish and Muslim life in Iceland. It's all quite hysterical (read below where they cite that the procedure was banned by the Nazis). Iceland is small but they know very well this law could become a precedent and an example for other countries esp. in Europe, to follow suit. And so they want to, erm, nip it in the bud. https://www.timesofisrael.com/circum...-leaders-warn/ Quote:
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19-02-2018, 11:31 PM | #75 | |||
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I was 3/4 when circumcised (for medical reasons) and I still remember every moment of the pain for the 2ish weeks after - everything stinging so badly when I took a piss that I literally used to lie about not needing the toilet so I wouldn't have to go through the pain.
Obviously now I realise that I'd have rathered do that than whatever the issue was before but there's no doubt I can still remember that pain from 13ish years ago when I was 3/4. |
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