[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

What about the barman who Amanda Knox unfairly accused of being involved? He went through hell and had his life turned upside down because of that woman. Turned out he was just a random bloke she dragged in to save her own skin.

Whether she's innocent or not she's proven herself throughout the trial to be one hell of a compulsive liar. Something does not add up with her.



To an extent I agree with this. With all these kinds of cases I always get the feeling (in this case the Italians) the country involved just think sod it, and don't give it their full attention because the people involved aren't natives.

The man she "falsely accussed" although really the police falsely accussed him, and got Amanda to sign a document in Italian (she didn't speak or read italian fluently at the time" that accussed him. He spent i believe 2 weeks in jail? Amanda spent 4 years in jail falsely accussed. How can you compare a man being falsely imprisoned for 2 weeks to someone who's been falsley imprisoned for 4 years? I don't think you can.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I feel so sad for Meredith's family.....to have to face what happened to her......and that the person/people responsible will probably never be caught and punished.

The person responsible has already been caught and punished. His name is Rudy Guede and his DNA was all over the crime scene and IN the victims body. He is currently serving 16 years in Italian Prison for it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

My feeling entirely ..... she is definitely

She's not a compulsive liar. Don't you wonder why the Italian police didn't record their interogation of Amanda knox??? It's standard practice in all civilized countries so it can be used it court, but mysteriously, the Italians don't record and play the interrogation of Amanda knox??

It's because she was interrogated in a way that was even worse than what you'd see in Guantanamo Bay, that's why they don't record it and play it.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

She's not a compulsive liar.

Time will tell .....

[Sticks]

Even the Kercher family are 100% behind the Italian prosecutors in their efforts to overturn this travesty of justice. We all need to get our MP's to get the UK government to make representations to the US government so that Amanda Knox is extradited back to Italy to serve her sentence when this acquittal is over turned as it surely will be.

The entire appeal was a sham

We had a judge speaking out of turn, and the so called independent experts getting too chummy with the defence.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Even the Kercher family are 100% behind the Italian prosecutors in their efforts to overturn this travesty of justice. We all need to get our MP's to get the UK government to make representations to the US government so that Amanda Knox is extradited back to Italy to serve her sentence when this acquittal is over turned as it surely will be.

The entire appeal was a sham

We had a judge speaking out of turn, and the so called independent experts getting too chummy with the defence.

She wont get extradited. IIRC they said on Sky News that although there is a treaty in place for extradition from US to Italy, nobody could find any records of anyone who had been extradited.

[Jords]

Talking about this in school today, dont know much on the story :S

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Even the Kercher family are 100% behind the Italian prosecutors in their efforts to overturn this travesty of justice. We all need to get our MP's to get the UK government to make representations to the US government so that Amanda Knox is extradited back to Italy to serve her sentence when this acquittal is over turned as it surely will be.

The entire appeal was a sham

We had a judge speaking out of turn, and the so called independent experts getting too chummy with the defence.

It got overturned because the proof against her was pathetic, is getting a result more important then getting the right one?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The man she "falsely accussed" although really the police falsely accussed him, and got Amanda to sign a document in Italian (she didn't speak or read italian fluently at the time" that accussed him. He spent i believe 2 weeks in jail? Amanda spent 4 years in jail falsely accussed. How can you compare a man being falsely imprisoned for 2 weeks to someone who's been falsley imprisoned for 4 years? I don't think you can.

She ruined his reputation. And even had his own wife doubting him.
Amanda Knox has been released purely on the incompetence of the Italian police force. Doesn't mean she's innocent at all, just means they buggered up all the evidence. The first 24 hours are crucial and they allowed the crime scene to be contaminated.

And yes, she is a compulsive liar. Not just through the trial but when the whole story of her time with her boyfriend and Meredith. Not to mention all the sex addiction stuff, guilty or not guilty of murder that woman is a walking psycho.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Eoin

She wont get extradited. IIRC they said on Sky News that although there is a treaty in place for extradition from US to Italy, nobody could find any records of anyone who had been extradited.

There is always a first time

This is why we need to get our government to make representations to make sure she does not escape justice, and to get the US government to honour its commitment by agreeing to extradite Miss Knox.

That appeal was flawed right at the beginning when that judge spoke out of turn. Ergo the so called aquittal will rightly be overturned when they get to the next higher court.

If that happens, as according to the prosecutor it should, there will have to be an international arrest warrant on Amanda Knox to drag her back to finish her sentence, which hopefully will be bumped up to life!!

Justice for Meredtith

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It got overturned because the proof against her was pathetic, is getting a result more important then getting the right one?

So the evidence was not collected like they show on CSI?

Is this not the CSI effect where juries who have watched that TV show have unrealistic expectations about forensic evidence?

[lostalex]

The murder scene was COVERED in Rudy Guede's DNA.

Please tell me how Amanda and Rafeale were involved in the murder, but it was ONLY Rudy Guede's DNA that was all over the murder scene, and INSIDE the victims body, but they couldn't find any DNA from Amanda or Rafaele???

Please explain to me how Amanda could clean up just her own DNA and Rafaele's DNA but leave only Rudy's DNA....

OOHHHh that's right, you think she's a satanic witch with magical powers. *rolls eyes*

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So the evidence was not collected like they show on CSI?

Is this not the CSI effect where juries who have watched that TV show have unrealistic expectations about forensic evidence?

The evidence wasn't strong enough for a conviction as it's obvious they just wanted a result. Convictions don't get turned for no reason at the end of the day. It's strange that you're determined to continue down this path with Knox but you haven't mentioned the more likely suspect who is still serving time, you know the one who was convicted of attacking women in the past? The one who's DNA was closely linked to the crime?

The law and the evidence is on Knox's side and a lot of experts that know more about the field then me and you ever will have said that the same result would have been achieved in other countries. In the law's eyes she's innocent yet you keep going on saying that she should be retrialed on nothing more but emotional sensationalism. What's the point of even having a verdict if people are going to be seen as guilty anyway?

[Sticks]

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

If anyone tries to remove Amanda from this country, I will personally protect her. She has suffered enuf of this crap, no more will be allowed.

I recommend you let it alone.

The Kerchers need to start GRIEVING properly and stop POINTING FINGERS. Their behavior is a disgrace to Meredith.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If anyone tries to remove Amanda from this country, I will personally protect her.

And thereby hangs the perception about the way extradition treaties between the US and other countries operate or as some believe don't

The US hardly ever hands anyone over in extradition requests, but when it is the other way around, even when the alleged offence or offenders were never in the US, the US demands and belligerently gets it way.

Just why is that - Maybe another thread can be set up, to avoid further thread hijacks.

If the prosecution authorities in Italy are still pursuing this, they must have a good reason?

Compare that with here in the UK where in the past there have been successful appeals, part of the reason they succeed has been that the CPS recognises an error has been made and offers no evidence.

If the US is ever going to be seen in a more favourable light over seas, it must be prepared to play fair and respond to extradition requests, just like it demands we hand over anyone it seeks.

[Z]

I just feel sorry for Amanda Knox. I think it's ridiculous that, regardless of whether she was involved in the murder or not, she's been turned into the scape goat and face of this whole trial - there are, after all, allegedly three of them involved in the murder, I couldn't even tell you what the two men look like because whenever I've seen headlines about the whole fiasco, it's solely been Amanda Knox's face on the covers. I believe she's innocent, and I think while the Kercher family have every right to want someone to blame, they're being pushed towards blaming Amanda Knox (or at least the media portrays it that way) with no apparent regard for the other two accused? I dunno, it just seems mad to me, that three people were jailed for her murder, yet only one of them has been receiving the fury of the media. Sexism?

[Sticks]

From the Sun Online

But it was a very different homecoming for the anguished family of Meredith, 21. Her loved ones are in despair following the acquittal of Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 27, in the Italian city of Perugia.

They spoke for the first time yesterday of their backing for Italian prosecutors who plan to appeal against the decision.

And they refused to rule out a private prosecution in their quest for justice for Meredith who had her throat cut in the horrific killing four years ago.

Sister Stephanie, 28, speaking after arriving back at the family semi in Coulsdon, Surrey, said: "The prosecution will be appealing and we will be behind that, as well as maybe taking another route."

Meredith's frail-looking mother Arline, 65, said: "We are talking to our lawyers... " But then Stephanie interrupted: "We want to find out, if they are not guilty who is."

Arline was asked if she thought Knox was innocent and added: "I don't really know at the moment — I just had the verdict and no explanation. It has been a difficult few years let alone difficult few days."

Quizzed about whether they would launch a private legal battle, Stephanie added: "It's too early to say at the moment."

Drifter Rudy Guede, 24, from the Ivory Coast, is in jail for the murder of Meredith after his DNA was found all over her Perugia flat.

The Kercher family's concern about the success of the Knox and Sollecito appeal centres on evidence used to convict him which suggested he acted with two others.

Stephanie said: "If it was not those two, they did say that Rudy Guede was convicted on the basis there were two other people there. So if it genuinely isn't them, obviously we don't want to see the wrong people put away, but we need to get evidence of who it was or look at evidence more closely.

"So it's just trying to find the truth — we want to get some rest."

Furious Italian prosecutors, who say they will take their appeal all the way to Italy's Supreme Court, were more strident in their criticism of Knox yesterday.

Giuliano Mignini said: "Since the verdict of the court a killer is now free to walk the streets. The judges came into this appeal with their ideas already formed... it was already decided and it was wrong."

Mignini's colleague Manuela Comodi said: "I have a message for Knox: Have a nice trip. Justice has not been done, it was a victory of the rich over the poor, America over Italy, private over the public."

Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann added to the controversy last night, saying that despite the verdict Knox and Sollecito might well know who else was responsible — and it could even be them.

In his first public comments since the acquittal on Monday, he said the verdict "resulted from the truth that was created in the trial". But he went on: "The real truth could be different." Hellmann added: "They could also be responsible but the proof isn't there.

"So, maybe they know, too, but as far as we go, they didn't."

Experts say any attempt to extradite Knox back from the US to face further legal action, even if compelling new evidence is found, will be an uphill struggle.

[Omah]

Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann added to the controversy last night, saying that despite the verdict Knox and Sollecito might well know who else was responsible — and it could even be them.

In his first public comments since the acquittal on Monday, he said the verdict "resulted from the truth that was created in the trial". But he went on: "The real truth could be different." Hellmann added: "They could also be responsible but the proof isn't there.

"So, maybe they know, too, but as far as we go, they didn't.*"

"*Così, forse sanno, anche, ma per quanto ne andare, non hanno."

I guess that's the Italian equivalent of the Gallic shrug .....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

At the end of the day there's no DNA evidence against Knox and the boyfriend while there is for the third man, you can't remove some DNA while leaving another person's and the nature of the crime would have left a lot of their DNA at the scene if they were involved. There's very little solid evidence to link her to the crime, just people determined to do so and thankfully that doesn't hold up in court. Evidence is what matters here and there's only evidence pointing to the third man. No point in damning a person because you THINK they might have done something wrong when you have no evidence to back it up.

She might be a liar but that doesn't instantly mean she's a killer.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Zee

I just feel sorry for Amanda Knox. I think it's ridiculous that, regardless of whether she was involved in the murder or not, she's been turned into the scape goat and face of this whole trial - there are, after all, allegedly three of them involved in the murder, I couldn't even tell you what the two men look like because whenever I've seen headlines about the whole fiasco, it's solely been Amanda Knox's face on the covers. I believe she's innocent, and I think while the Kercher family have every right to want someone to blame, they're being pushed towards blaming Amanda Knox (or at least the media portrays it that way) with no apparent regard for the other two accused? I dunno, it just seems mad to me, that three people were jailed for her murder, yet only one of them has been receiving the fury of the media. Sexism?

Shocked me when i really looked into the details of this and realized there was no criminal reason for the media to focus on Amanda more than the other 2. Sexism or just a better story for the Press. Women aren't suppose to be murderers are they that's what Men do Stereotypically. When the Press gets the chance to turn the tables they jump at the chance. I suppose that is Sexist actually.

[Sticks]

If the evidence against her is allegedly so weak and non-existent, then why are the prosecuting authorities still pursuing this?

They must know something if they are confident that this acquittal will be overturned.

If that happens, we expect the US to honour the extradition treaty it signed and return Miss Knox to serve her sentence.

[Tom4784]

Because they're trying to save face by pinning it on her since the whole ordeal has made the Italian law system look crap. If they can get her convicted then it makes it look as though they were right all along. Let's put it this way, if the evidence against her was compelling then how did she get the verdict overturned? If the prosecution had some decent evidence then why didn't they use it when they had the chance?

It's because the evidence wasn't there, there's no compelling evidence to link her to the crime otherwise she wouldn't be free now.

[Sticks]

This article in the People

Indicates there was more than the DNA evidence presented.

And she said Robyn, 27, can’t come to terms with the way Amanda Knox and boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito joked about the tragedy as they waited to be quizzed by cops in Perugia only a few hours after the murder.

Robyn told the jury at Knox and Sollecito’s murder trial: “When I arrived at the police station I found Amanda’s behaviour very strange.

“She had no emotion while everyone else was upset.

“I remember one thing that really upset me – a friend of Meredith said, ‘I hope she wasn’t in too much pain’.

“Amanda said, ‘What do you think? She *******ing bled to death.

“At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

She added: “Everyone was crying – but Amanda wasn’t.

“She and Raffaele were kissing and joking together.

“They were cuddling and at one point she stuck her tongue out at him.”

Robyn also told the court how she felt uncomfortable about Knox after seeing a vibrator and condoms in her vanity-case at the flat she shared with Meredith and two Italian women.

Read again what the witness Robyn Butterworth says, “At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

How did Amanda Knox know how Meredith died? How did she have that information when it had not been released?

Surely this is information that only the murderer of Meredith Kercher would have. Is it therefore suspicious that Amanda was in possession of this information?

Also why was Miss Butterworth not called at the Appeal? Something is not adding up there?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This article in the People

Indicates there was more than the DNA evidence presented.



Read again what the witness Robyn Butterworth says, “At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

How did Amanda Knox know how Meredith died? How did she have that information when it had not been released?

Surely this is information that only the murderer of Meredith Kercher would have. Is it therefore suspicious that Amanda was in possession of this information?

Also why was Miss Butterworth not called at the Appeal? Something is not adding up there?

Misses Robyn Butterworth? This sounds like a made up name, and it certainly doesn't even sound like an Italian name. lol

You ask why wasn't she called to the appeal, well that's a good question, why didn't the prosecuters call "mrs. butterworth" to the appeal is she is such an important witness? Obviously because the prosecuters don't even believe she was a good witness.

As far as Amanda and Rafaele kissing and comforting each other, yes, how dare they comfort each other in such a horrible situation. Obviously that makes them murderers. gimme a break.