[Cherie]

I'm really curious how people who are saying Gina and Dexter are the selfish ones are justifying their outrage Dexter referred to others doing it when he accepted his wine tasting, so he didn't set the precedent, for all we know the main house was tempted first and it was edited to show the safe house being tempted first in the HLs. So take that haters.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm really curious how people who are saying Gina and Dexter are the selfish ones are justifying their outrage Dexter referred to others doing it when he accepted his wine tasting, so he didn't set the precedent, for all we know the main house was tempted first and it was edited to show the safe house being tempted first in the HLs. So take that haters.

True, but housemates hate Gina and Dexter, so they'll get the blame.

[Patricia4]

Dexter and Gina are great I could live with them and have some fun.

[Livia]

Good for Hazel. Gina is greedy and selfish and everyone's got to tiptoe around her? I'm surprised she didn't accuse Hazel of being racist. That's what she did last time for attention...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm really curious how people who are saying Gina and Dexter are the selfish ones are justifying their outrage Dexter referred to others doing it when he accepted his wine tasting, so he didn't set the precedent, for all we know the main house was tempted first and it was edited to show the safe house being tempted first in the HLs. So take that haters.

I'm curious how people can continue to justify their outrageously selfish, greedy behaviour. But, there you go...

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

Good for Hazel. Gina is greedy and selfish and everyone's got to tiptoe around her? I'm surprised she didn't accuse Hazel of being racist. That's what she did last time for attention...

Why are you surprised she didn't accuse Hazel of being racist?
The argument was about wine ,not skin colour.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm curious how people can continue to justify their outrageously selfish, greedy behaviour. But, there you go...

Its shows on the articles about the task that in this case the safe house trio actually spent the least amount from the shopping budget though so people calling Gina and Dexter selfish because of the treats they chose in this task are actually wrong, if anyone was selfish it was the rest of the housemates.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm curious how people can continue to justify their outrageously selfish, greedy behaviour. But, there you go...

The main house and the safe house both accepted treats, so why is one being castigated and not the other? There you go.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The main house and the safe house both accepted treats, so why is one being castigated and not the other? There you go.

The main house isn't necking the secret house's champagne though, are they. Not everything is for Gina. Someone should tell her... There you go.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Its shows on the articles about the task that in this case the safe house trio actually spent the least amount from the shopping budget though so people calling Gina and Dexter selfish because of the treats they chose in this task are actually wrong, if anyone was selfish it was the rest of the housemates.

I'm pretty sure that the cost of the stuff on offer wasn't a factor. If Dexter's wine tasting had been £100 I'm sure he would have still taken it.

I'm not calling them selfish because of the treats they chose. I'm calling them selfish for drinking their own champagne and not sharing it, then taking the wine that the main house got, and drinking that too.

I know Gina and Dexter have this strainge air of entitlement... but it doesn't mean they actually are entitled to everything.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

The main house isn't necking the secret house's champagne though, are they. Not everything is for Gina. Someone should tell her... There you go.

But the others are not allowed in the safe house, or allowed to have anything from the safe house, whereas the safe house inmates can access all parts of the main house, so I don't see the big problem it, it was a glass of wine.

[Josy]

Champagne for the treasury – £25

The other housemates chose to

Eat pizza – cost £30

Have a night of pool access, music and alcohol – cost £75

I'm pretty sure I would have been helping myself to that alcohol too at the amount that was being deducted from the house budget and I think the treasury only got 1 bottle of champagne too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Champagne for the treasury – £25

The other housemates chose to

Eat pizza – cost £30

Have a night of pool access, music and alcohol – cost £75

I'm pretty sure I would have been helping myself to that alcohol too at the amount that was being deducted from the house budget and I think the treasury only got 1 bottle of champagne too.

And wine tasting, and a makeover. Add the cost of the secret house stuff and divide it by three. Then add the cost of the stuff to the main house and divide it by however many there are in there...

I stand by my "greedy and selfish" accusations.

Hate arguing with you though, Jose LOL...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm pretty sure that the cost of the stuff on offer wasn't a factor. If Dexter's wine tasting had been £100 I'm sure he would have still taken it.

I'm not calling them selfish because of the treats they chose. I'm calling them selfish for drinking their own champagne and not sharing it, then taking the wine that the main house got, and drinking that too.

I know Gina and Dexter have this strainge air of entitlement... but it doesn't mean they actually are entitled to everything.

So you are blaming Dex for something he didnt do...ie spending 100 on wine tasting.
And you are blaming the safe house for not sharing, even though they arent allowed...

Solid argument there.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And wine tasting, and a makeover. Add the cost of the secret house stuff and divide it by three. Then add the cost of the stuff to the main house and divide it by however many there are in there...

I stand by my "greedy and selfish" accusations.

Hate arguing with you though, Jose LOL...

Ah no arguing just sharing our opinions

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Champagne for the treasury – £25

The other housemates chose to

Eat pizza – cost £30

Have a night of pool access, music and alcohol – cost £75

I'm pretty sure I would have been helping myself to that alcohol too at the amount that was being deducted from the house budget and I think the treasury only got 1 bottle of champagne too.

That is a point, they must have had quite a bit of alcohol delivered for that amount. They will all suffer in the long run as their shopping budget is depleted, except for those in the safe house....(if they stay there). Personally I think they should have declined the treats, but they are not that kind of crowd.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That is a point, they must have had quite a bit of alcohol delivered for that amount. They will all suffer in the long run as their shopping budget is depleted, except for those in the safe house....(if they stay there). Personally I think they should have declined the treats, but they are not that kind of crowd.

I dont think they will be in there after tonight

Gina seems to have it in her head that shes there til she leaves..I really doubt it. Wishful thinking more like

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kefln

So you are blaming Dex for something he didnt do...ie spending 100 on wine tasting.
And you are blaming the safe house for not sharing, even though they arent allowed...

Solid argument there.

What I actually said was that "if Dexter's wine tasting had been £100 I'm sure he would have still taken it".

I don't recall hearing them being told they couldn't share the champagne. But even so, they felt entitled to help themselves to the main house's booze. Because they're greedy, selfish and have a sense of entitlement.

So yes, quite a solid argument, I feel. Thanks.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

And wine tasting, and a makeover. Add the cost of the secret house stuff and divide it by three. Then add the cost of the stuff to the main house and divide it by however many there are in there...

I stand by my "greedy and selfish" accusations.

Hate arguing with you though, Jose LOL...

It could be argued that after a few weeks of being nominated by everyone in the house, dex and gina might not have the greatest team spirit.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kefln

It could be argued that after a few weeks of being nominated by everyone in the house, dex and gina might not have the greatest team spirit.

Good point and i don't blame them at all.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kefln

It could be argued that after a few weeks of being nominated by everyone in the house, dex and gina might not have the greatest team spirit.

I agree with that, plus they know without a shadow of a doubt they will be up again next week so why even bother trying to please these people.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree with that, plus they know without a shadow of a doubt they will be up again next week so why even bother trying to please these people.

And, nobody bothered to tell them they had "all agreed (actually, about 4 of them did) that nobody from the SH could have any alcohol until after they poured. Perhaps if someone had actually told them prior to Jackie losing her ****, it never would've happened. Apparently not being psychic must now be added to the list of why everything is Dexter and Gina's fault. And still ignoring that Charlie, who DID have champagne, and still had her champagne flute, was not yelled at, ONLY D&G were told they couldn't have any.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kefln

It could be argued that after a few weeks of being nominated by everyone in the house, dex and gina might not have the greatest team spirit.

And after being spied on while the two of them lived in luxury, the rest of the house may be a little resentful. I mean, they didn't exactly have the greatest team spirit before, did they!?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

What I actually said was that "if Dexter's wine tasting had been £100 I'm sure he would have still taken it".

I don't recall hearing them being told they couldn't share the champagne. But even so, they felt entitled to help themselves to the main house's booze. Because they're greedy, selfish and have a sense of entitlement.

So yes, quite a solid argument, I feel. Thanks.

"Dont recall", "Im sure", "if", "they felt entitled"

All the above are personal opinion statements, which you are entitled to make, but none are fact.

The facts are that this weeks challenge is all about self control and austerity. None of the HMs have realised this. They are all eating into their weekly budget for short term gain.

Its a brilliant task because it has already shown off the short sighted, selfish, nature of the HMs, along with the ever widening gap in the house itself.

For example, the "group" were all sitting around b*tching about Dex and the champagne. Giving out about how selfish he was. But the result was a "we'll show them response". They jumped at the chance to spend more money and there was a resulting argument.

Had both sides said no, there would have been no arguments and they would have more cash. But they all have a "us and them" mentality.

Take the coment from one of the twins, the wrong ones went into the safe house. In realty the "best" ones went in. As Dex and Gina are the most isolated, there is a natural divide. This task is only compounding that divide. Leading to a far more interesting programme for the viewers.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kefln

"Dont recall", "Im sure", "if", "they felt entitled"

All the above are personal opinion statements, which you are entitled to make, but none are fact.

The facts are that this weeks challenge is all about self control and austerity. None of the HMs have realised this. They are all eating into their weekly budget for short term gain.

Its a brilliant task because it has already shown off the short sighted, selfish, nature of the HMs, along with the ever widening gap in the house itself.

For example, the "group" were all sitting around b*tching about Dex and the champagne. Giving out about how selfish he was. But the result was a "we'll show them response". They jumped at the chance to spend more money and there was a resulting argument.

Had both sides said no, there would have been no arguments and they would have more cash. But they all have a "us and them" mentality.

Take the coment from one of the twins, the wrong ones went into the safe house. In realty the "best" ones went in. As Dex and Gina are the most isolated, there is a natural divide. This task is only compounding that divide. Leading to a far more interesting programme for the viewers.

Yeah, this is a Big Brother discussion. It's all about personal opinions and an individual's interpretation of the facts. Mine differ wildly from yours to the extent I could believe you're watching quite a different programme.

We're going to have to agree to differ on this one.