[Vicky.]

So she was meant to upload a nice fluffy video with all of the violence and stuff edited out, to make herself seem like a good dog owner, just positivity and stroking and that? That kind of makes her worse as she clearly knowsthat how she treats it is seriously wrong, rather than it being a 'just how you train dogs' kind of thing

I am sure I have seen an 'apology' where she tries to blame it on mental health problems.

Shes vile. Utterly vile.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So she was meant to upload a nice fluffy video with all of the violence and stuff edited out, to make herself seem like a good dog owner, just positivity and stroking and that? That kind of makes her worse as she clearly knowsthat how she treats it is seriously wrong, rather than it being a 'just how you train dogs' kind of thing

I am sure I have seen an 'apology' where she tries to blame it on mental health problems.

Shes vile. Utterly vile.

There’s an apology in the OP, she said she was having a bad day/week whatever. She also complains that one on one dog training is very expensive - to which I say of you can’t afford a dog, don’t have one!

She also decides she’s a good owner because she buys lots of toys for him?! That doesn’t make you a good owner that just makes you rich (all the more reason she should be getting the proper dog training)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

There’s an apology in the OP, she said she was having a bad day/week whatever. She also complains that one on one dog training is very expensive - to which I say of you can’t afford a dog, don’t have one!

She also decides she’s a good owner because she buys lots of toys for him?! That doesn’t make you a good owner that just makes you rich (all the more reason she should be getting the proper dog training)

I have had many bad days and have never ever hit a dog I have had, or spat at it. If default on bad days is behaviour like that, then you are a bad person tbh.

Toys do not make you a good owner, just makes you bloody flush with cash. Cash is nothing to do with being a good dog owner really.

Yeah training can be expensive. But you can do it yourself too. Its either expensive, or takes some of your time. One of which, yoiu need to be willing to give up.

[bitontheslide]

it's got all the ingredients for a villain/redemption arc story line designed to exploit/manipulate the viewership

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have had many bad days and have never ever hit a dog I have had, or spat at it. If default on bad days is behaviour like that, then you are a bad person tbh.

Toys do not make you a good owner, just makes you bloody flush with cash. Cash is nothing to do with being a good dog owner really.

Who would even think to spit at a dog, it's just weird behaviour. A big dog like that really needs alot of exercise and proper training which I don't think a "normal" person can really do properly unless they have some basic dog training themselves. It's important when you have a dog of that kind that can potentially become a danger

[armand.kay]

The was she switched between smiley YouTuber to smacking the crap out of her dog was... chilling.

[Twosugars]

There are so many good tv series, books and manuals about dog training out there, she has no excuse.

[Niamh.]

Also, I mentioned back along the thread, the dog had is ears cut and tail docked, is that still legal in the states? horrible practise

[Ammi]

..it would be nice if she did some volunteer work in a dog rescue...work with some of the dogs who have been abused by humans...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, I mentioned back along the thread, the dog had is ears cut and tail docked, is that still legal in the states? horrible practise

awful practice, and all for cosmetic reasons

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

awful practice, and all for cosmetic reasons

And they still allow cat declawing which is even worse

[Toy Soldier]

Oh FFS I hadn't even watched it and now that I have, any excuses that it's training are flat out ridiculous. For one, the first time she hits it across the head, it's for not falling for the prank she wants to make a video about. That simple. It doesn't even misbehave - it just doesn't walk into the clingfilm "trick" and tries to jump over it instead, so she smacks it in the face.

Then she physically pins it to the floor for trying to lick her and the way she looks at it ... and then at the end she shoves it off camera (again, for licking her) and then quite clearly in the reflection hits it several times.

"Training".

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, I mentioned back along the thread, the dog had is ears cut and tail docked, is that still legal in the states? horrible practise

I know its plain mutilation!
Dogs need ears and tails for communication ffs and to be complete dogs

Is there a better sight than seeing your dog wag its tail? I dont think so.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And they still allow cat declawing which is even worse

Our 'vet' advised this when our kitten was clawing everything in sight (including the kids )..I didn't know it was even legal..let alone offered as a first response to issues..we didn't do it. And changed vet too.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh FFS I hadn't even watched it and now that I have, any excuses that it's training are flat out ridiculous. For one, the first time she hits it across the head, it's for not falling for the prank she wants to make a video about. That simple. It doesn't even misbehave - it just doesn't walk into the clingfilm "trick" and tries to jump over it instead, so she smacks it in the face.

Then she physically pins it to the floor for trying to lick her and the way she looks at it ... and then at the end she shoves it off camera (again, for licking her) and then quite clearly in the reflection hits it several times.

"Training".

Yeah, I watched a little of it to start with, then a little more after commenting. The whole thing though..makes me feel a bit ill. The training excuse is absolutely pathetic. It really is. Thats not training. Not even a little.

[Vicky.]

The ears and tail docked thing is vile too obviously. I don't get it, even for cosmetic reasons as it just looks..odd? It doesnt look any better, infact much worse. So cannot even see it from the side of people who think cutting off parts of your animal to make it look better is fine really..

[bitontheslide]

What has been done to dogs for generations is nothing short of obscene. Forced
selective breeding to produce dogs that look cute or run faster are more violent etc etc etc. It's one of the biggest travesties of human kind.

[Niamh.]

I really thought declawing was illegal in the UK as well Vicky, shocking that a Vet would suggest that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What has been done to dogs for generations is nothing short of obscene. Forced
selective breeding to produce dogs that look cute or run faster are more violent etc etc etc. It's one of the biggest travesties of human kind.

Pugs are my pet hate, struggling to breath, and those tiny teacup dogs, just awful

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it would be nice if she did some volunteer work in a dog rescue...work with some of the dogs who have been abused by humans...

I actually think there should be some kind of license for owning an animal, and people should have to do basic training courses and such beforehand. I know that seems harsh, but so much of this **** goes on. I mean, when we had Ryu, literally the only reason we had him was because we had looked after him for a night because his owner wanted to go out and he didn't do wel on his own for long periods of time, but when the owner came to get him back the next morning, the dog jumped up at him happy to see him and he punched him full force in the face. Gavin refused to give him back and we changed chip and stuff to my name. Technically illegal, yes, but like **** was the poor dog (was only maybe 6 months old then too) going back to that abusive 'friend' (who is no longer a friend these days for obvious reasons).

Too many people abuse animals. I am sure many many more do the odd kick..hit..and do not abuse constantly but think its fine as its just a dog or whateve.r Its gross, and should be illegal. Its 'illegal' but there never really seems to be any punishments doled out for it. I used to watch those animal resuce programs, and regardless of the state of things, the owners only ever used to get small fines, if that

[Toy Soldier]

I don't understand why anyone would de-claw a cat. Maybe as some sort of extreme measure if it's an adult that's actually seeking people out to harm?

Other than that... kittens are scratchy! They don't have the same control over their babyclaws as adult cats and they're playful, so scratches happen. I got tonnes of scratches from our cat when she was a baby and she's the friendliest cat. She's only about 18 months old now and she never scratches anyone any more, and the kids pester the **** out of her .

So basically there's just no need. They'll grow out of it when they hit adulthood and keep their claws retracted of their own accord! And if it's because of scratching furniture, if you provide a good scratching post it's very easy to train them not to do that either.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Pugs are my pet hate, struggling to breath, and those tiny teacup dogs, just awful

Yeah, I only found out recently that pugs were bred to actually be like that, For some reason I thought they were naturally like that..why would you breed it specifically to make it hard to breathe..poor things

[Niamh.]

I just googled it and declawing is illegal in the UK Vicky............really dodgy Vet

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't understand why anyone would de-claw a cat. Maybe as some sort of extreme measure if it's an adult that's actually seeking people out to harm?

Other than that... kittens are scratchy! They don't have the same control over their babyclaws as adult cats and they're playful, so scratches happen. I got tonnes of scratches from our cat when she was a baby and she's the friendliest cat. She's only about 18 months old now and she never scratches anyone any more, and the kids pester the **** out of her .

So basically there's just no need. They'll grow out of it when they hit adulthood and keep their claws retracted of their own accord! And if it's because of scratching furniture, if you provide a good scratching post it's very easy to train them not to do that either.

Ours refused to use the many scratching posts we had for it, preferred to claw the children

We only went to the vet for advice on what to try next. Being 'advised' to do that literally made me feel ill. Wasn't even an independant vet, was like..a large chain store place :S

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't understand why anyone would de-claw a cat. Maybe as some sort of extreme measure if it's an adult that's actually seeking people out to harm?

Other than that... kittens are scratchy! They don't have the same control over their babyclaws as adult cats and they're playful, so scratches happen. I got tonnes of scratches from our cat when she was a baby and she's the friendliest cat. She's only about 18 months old now and she never scratches anyone any more, and the kids pester the **** out of her .

So basically there's just no need. They'll grow out of it when they hit adulthood and keep their claws retracted of their own accord! And if it's because of scratching furniture, if you provide a good scratching post it's very easy to train them not to do that either.

Yeah my fella never really scratched the furniture but he would stick his claws in people sometimes when he was playing, I used to pretend to cry when he did it and he'd stop and start licking me instead

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just googled it and declawing is illegal in the UK Vicky............really dodgy Vet

How long has that been the case?

Abbey Veterinary Centre - advised 'declawing'. Or did as little as 4 years back. They appear to be part of larger chains too.