[Livia]

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Misses Robyn Butterworth? This sounds like a made up name, and it certainly doesn't even sound like an Italian name. lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2864713.ece

November 13, 2007

Sophie Purton and Robyn* Butterworth**, two friends of Ms Kercher, have told police that all three had had an early supper of pizza, ice cream and coffee at Robyn's flat "at about 6pm", drinking only water and no alcohol (forensic tests on Merediths body have confirmed this).

They then watched a film on DVD, "The Notebook", until "about 9pm". Ms Purton has testified that she then walked home with Ms Kercher, but their ways parted and she went to her own home, leaving Ms Kercher to walk the 500 yards to the cottage in Viale Sant' Antonio. This would put Ms Kercher's return to the cottage at about 9.15pm.

Pathologists at first put the time of her death at between midnight and 2am. They later revised this because of analysis of the food in her stomach, which was only partly digested, suggesting that she was killed sooner after eating her meal.

Investigators are reportedly to re-question Ms Purton and Ms Butterworth to double check the time they had supper. The provisional time of death, meanwhile, is between 9pm and 11pm, although the fatal blow could have been struck earlier since Ms Kercher bled to death slowly.

http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-worl...2039-23476085/

Oct 9 2011

GRIEVING Robyn Butterworth, who was on a university exchange from Leeds, England, to the Italian town of Perugia, is still haunted by the sex-murder of best pal Meredith Kercher – and the callous reaction of the girl cleared of the killing.

Robyn told her mum Sue she will never get over how Meredith had her throat cut at a student flat in Italy in 2007.

Sue, 61, said: “She won’t rest till justice is done for Meredith – she is always at the forefront of Robyn’s mind.

“My daughter believes the years that have passed mean nothing because it is back to square one now.”

Robyn’s damning testimony played a key role in getting American Knox, 21, and her 27-year-old Italian boyfriend convicted of the killing of the British student, which made headlines around the world.

But speaking at her Northampton, England, home days after the couple were acquitted last Monday, retired French teacher Sue, 61, said: “When Robyn was told they’d won their appeal she was in tears – she couldn’t believe it.

“Now she can’t bring herself to watch the news whenever the story comes on and just covers her ears."

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Robyn

*Robyn \r(o)-byn, rob-yn\ as a girl's name (also used as boy's name Robyn), is a variant of Roberta (Old English, Old German) and Robin (English), and the meaning of Robyn is "bright fame".

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/But...#ixzz1aVZyAVmm

**Butterworth is a name of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is locational from a place thus called near Rochdale in Lancashire. Recorded as "Buterwrth" in the 1235 Fine Court Rolls of that county, and as "Butterwurth" in the 1246 Assize Court Rolls; the place was so called from the Olde English pre 7th Century "butere", butter, from the Latin "butyrum", plus the Olde English "worth", a homestead, or enclosure round a homestead; hence, "homestead where butter was made". Presumably, the butter produced in this place was distinguished by excellence of blend or quality. The surname was first recorded in the mid 12th Century (see below), while, in 1559, one John Butterworth, of Butterworth, was noted in the Wills Records at Chester, and in 1587, Alice Butterworth of Rochdale, was noted in the same records. James Butterworth (1771 - 1837), wrote poems in the Lancashire dialect. His youngest son Edwin (1812 - 1848), collected materials for the history of Lancashire. Some of his collections are preserved at Oldham. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Reginald de Boterworth, which was dated circa 1160, in Baines "History of Lancashire", during the reign of King Henry 11, known as "The Builder of Churches", 1154 - 1189. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

Exactly

We need to make sure our elected officials press the US to honour their commitments and extradite Amanda Knox when this sham of an appeal is overturned, as it surely will be.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

If by rule, you mean America should allow the currupt misogynist italian justice system to use an American citizen as a sacrificial lamb to save face... then shame on you.

Amanda is home for good, and any xenophobic racist foreign government that tries to punish her to use an American citizen to appease the baying masses of idiots calling for blood to save face can go FOOK themselves.

[Sticks]

But when they do seek her extradition, any other country she visits will hand her over to the Italians, if they have any shred of respect for international law.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

But when they do seek her extradition, any other country she visits will hand her over to the Italians, if they have any shred of respect for international law.

Yea, and isn't it funny how Roman Polanski, who admitted and has never denied drugging and raping a 13 y/o American child is still free all over Europe and no one will extradite him, but anyone could expect America to extradite Amanda knox who is guilty of no crime?

Get your house in order Europe, seriously. You wonder why European justice is a joke in America...??? really?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Yea, and isn't it funny how Roamn Polanski, who admitted and has never denied drugging and rapping a 13 y/o girl is still free all over Europe, but anyone could expect America to extradite Amanda knox who is guilty of no crime?

Get your house in order Europe, seriously. You wonder why European justice is a joke in America...??? really?

Ha and this is the country that executes innocent men

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ha and this is the country that executes innocent men

hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.

Who murdered the Native Americans and shot all the American Bison ?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

Who murdered the Native Americans and shot all the American Bison ?

The American Idnians were killed mostly by european diseases by the spanish, british, dutch and french, that's not murder.

And killing animals, are you joking? now you are equating animals to humans seriously??? I'm pretty sure native americans killed lots of bison, so what's your point???

[Marsh.]

Let's not turn this into an us versus them. Back to the subject at hand...

lostalex, your passionate "defence" of Amanda Knox is laughable. Thanks for the afternoon chuckle.

You are entitled to your opinion (of course) and have made some valid points but to discuss the case as though she's 100% "guilty of no crime" is an absolute joke.

[Omah]

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. At year-end 2009 it was 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009 — about 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population. Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or on parole. In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population."

On January 1, 2008 more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States was in prison or jail.

In 2008 approximately one in every 31 adults (7.3 million) in the United States was behind bars, or being monitored (probation and parole). In 2008 the breakdown for adults under correctional control was as follows: one out of 18 men, one in 89 women, one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), one in 27 Latinos (3.7 percent), and one in 45 whites (2.2 percent). 70% of prisoners in the United States are non-whites.

In addition, there were 86,927 held in juvenile facilities as of the 2007 Census of Juveniles in Residential Placement (CJRP), conducted by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

[Marsh.]

Can you not drop it?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The American Idnians were killed mostly by european diseases by the spanish, british, dutch and french, that's not murder.

And killing animals, are you joking? now you are equating animals to humans seriously??? I'm pretty sure native americans killed lots of bison, so what's your point???

My point is that you seem to know very little about the history and nature of the xenophobic, racist, misogynist and genocidal United States .....

The Trail of Tears is a name given to the relocation and movement of Native American nations from southeastern parts of the United States following the Indian Removal Act of 1830. The removal included many members of the Cherokee, Muscogee (Creek), Seminole, and Choctaw nations, among others in the United States, from their homelands to Indian Territory (eastern sections of the present-day state of Oklahoma). The phrase originated from a description of the removal of the Choctaw Nation in 1831. The Native Americans suffered from exposure, disease and starvation en route to their destinations. Many died, including 4,000 of the 15,000 relocated Cherokee.

19th century bison hunts

Bison were hunted almost to extinction in the late 19th century primarily by white hunters and were reduced to a few hundred by the mid-1880s. They were hunted for their skins, with the rest of the animal left behind to decay on the ground.

The US Army sanctioned and actively endorsed the wholesale slaughter of bison herds. The US federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, to allow ranchers to range their cattle without competition from other bovines, and primarily to weaken the North American Indian population by removing their main food source and to pressure them onto the reservations. Without the bison, native people of the plains were forced either to leave the land or starve to death.

As if that wasn't enough :

The American Civil War was one of the earliest true industrial wars. Railroads, the telegraph, steamships, and mass-produced weapons were employed extensively. The practices of total war, developed by Sherman in Georgia, and of trench warfare around Petersburg foreshadowed World War I in Europe. It remains the deadliest war in American history, resulting in the deaths of 620,000 soldiers and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Historian John Huddleston estimates the death toll at ten percent of all Northern males 20–45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white males aged 18–40.

Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of approximately 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans who lived on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, while in Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the territory's population, 1,200 to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned. Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.

Probably only the Russian czars treated their "subjects" worse .....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.

Lmao I'm not talking about history, I'm happy to admit that it's been European countries that have been responsible for some of the worst atrocities of all time, and I do read plenty of books thanks. But you wanted to compare justice systems, and Western European countries have not been in the practice of executing people for quite some time, and certainly not innocent people

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.

García Cárcel estimates that the total number processed by the Spanish Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700 — about 2% — the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death.

So, not a lot really, and hardly any at all compared to the ravages of war and disease of the time .....

Of course, lots more were tortured, but that was considered "normal" :

Although the Inquisition was technically forbidden from permanently harming or drawing blood, this still allowed for methods of torture. The methods most used, and common in other secular and ecclesiastical tribunals, were garrucha, toca and the potro.

The application of the garrucha, also known as the strappado, consisted of suspending the victim from the ceiling by the wrists, which are tied behind the back. Sometimes weights were tied to the ankles, with a series of lifts and drops, during which the arms and legs suffered violent pulls and were sometimes dislocated.

The toca, also called interrogatorio mejorado del agua, consisted of introducing a cloth into the mouth of the victim, and forcing them to ingest water spilled from a jar so that they had the impression of drowning (see: waterboarding).

The potro, the rack, was the instrument of torture used most frequently.

The Church, itself, did not kill. The most serious punishment was relaxation to the secular arm for burning at the stake. This penalty was usually applied to impenitent heretics and those who had relapsed. Execution was public. If the condemned repented, they were shown mercy by being garroted before burning; if not, they were burned alive.

[Omah]

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2011-...-for-channel-5

A Channel 5 documentary about Amanda Knox is to show previously unseen footage of the murder scene of British student Meredith Kercher.

Amanda Knox: the Untold Story, made by ITN, will recount the details of the 2007 murder and the case that culminated in Knox's acquittal earlier this month. The documentary will also focus on the ongoing search for Kercher's killer.

Members of Knox's family are due to contribute to the programme, which is also expected to feature an exclusive interview with Patrick Lumumba, the man Knox initially accused of the murder.

Channel 5's Michelle Chappell, commissioning editor for news, current affairs and documentaries said: "The case of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito has gripped the world for over four years and this documentary attempts to unravel some of the unanswered questions and shocking mistakes surrounding the high-profile trial.

"It will seek to answer what happened that night in Perugia."

The hour-long documentary is in production now and planned to air before the end of October.

Now THAT should be interesting and, possibly, illuminating .....

[Sticks]

This programme is on this Tuesday at 20:00

I wonder if this programme will prove that Amanda is guilty

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This programme is on this Tuesday at 20:00

I wonder if this programme will prove that Amanda is guilty

If two trials couldnt I highly doubt that Channel 5 can.

[Sticks]

Another link to the Channel Five programme

Some of the comments make interesting reading, and some of them seem to point to a website explaining why they say Amanda is guilty and the appeal court ruling is a travesty of justice

[InOne]

An interesting programme. I doubt they will ever find out what truly happened that night.

[Sticks]

The first half just showed that Amanda Knox still has a case to answer

[lostalex]

The channel; 5 programme was a remake of another programme they'd shown BEFORE the appeal. It was a total propaganda piece and the amount of time they allowed the corrupt and discredited prosecuter, MIGNINI, to speak in it proved what a hit piece it was.

It was the biggest load of CRAP i'd ever seen.

My favourite quote from it was "after ONLY 5 hours of interogation, Amanda pointed the finger at an innocent man". LMAO 2 "ONLY" 5 hours, as if 5 hours of being interogated in a foreign language is not much time at all???

Amanda suffered worse interogation techniques than people at Guantanamo bay would face!! Atleast epople at Guantanamo have3 laywers and translators and they arn't physically abused like Amanda was. Pathetiuc effort from channel 5.

If Meredith was not British i doubt we'd see this type of BS propaganda from the UK media, but unfortunately, the UK is incredibly nationalist and xenophobic. Especially against Americans and Italians.

[Sticks]

So what about her suspicious behaviour as pointed out by the programme?

As for the interrogation, when someone is hiding something you need to use a robust technique to break through the lies and make them tell the truth. Even with these robust techniques she was still wrapped up in lie, indicated by her trying to frame an innocent man.

Lets not forget she is still a convicted criminal who served three years for lying to the police about her former boss. As the prosecutors say, why would she lie, if she were not involved?

That is why the next court will overturn this appeal and lets hope if that happens, we can make the US government finally honour their treaties and hand Amanda back to serve her sentence for murder.

[Jords]

I watch the Ch4 documentary. Its awful how shes lost 4 years of her life.

Im really interested what actually took place though.