[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

No that's true, yet on the views on certain subjects I've noticed a slight correlation.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Oh and the UKIP manifesto is possibly one of the most obviously racist things I have ever seen. Giving businesses the right to only employ British people or to put British people first? In what way is that not racist?

I guess you would have to take out that policy from the manifesto and prove it was racist rob.

so feel free

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

Most people on here don't particularly wish for "illegals" to be hit by a missile but there we are.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No that's true, yet on the views on certain subjects I've noticed a slight correlation.

you are too hard on yourself

[lily.]

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes they've had to knock their corners off to fit in with the mainstream... That's not to say that they don't have those principles still at their core. Look at the type of people drawn to UKIP

Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

[B]STOP PRESS: [/B]

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES Ł116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING Ł60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING Ł175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST Ł1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY Ł13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY Ł41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN Ł20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

[B]STOP PRESS: [/B]

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES Ł116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING Ł60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING Ł175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST Ł1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY Ł13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY Ł41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN Ł20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

people on here have short memories

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

So you believe that homosexuality is a special interest group? Like caravanners?

Only in Devon lol

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol

where?

show me one

Again?


UKIP is homophobic. Not only have far too many members of the party for them to be credible been recorded as saying the list that was posted further back in the thread, these people have also been allowed to keep their jobs. Despite the fact that "Nigel" has apparently said that he doesn't tolerate it. They also are the only party running for government that makes no mention whatsoever of LGBT rights and when questioned about this claims that gay people fall into the "special interest" category.

UKIP is racist. Sorry to say, but you're statement about "illegals" earlier followed by your adoration for them is enough to prove that to me. Plus, their manifesto is littered with so much passive racism like "British people being given priority over employment," that I can't believe that I'm having to explain it so many times.

Can you prove to me that their not either of the things that I am accusing them of?

[lily.]

UKIP is basically just a new name for the National Front. Remember them?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

[B]STOP PRESS: [/B]

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES Ł116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING Ł60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING Ł175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST Ł1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY Ł13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY Ł41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN Ł20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

Irrelevant, and to be honest as a young party the prevalence of instances where members misdemeanors seem to be a damning indictment of their core values.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Again?


UKIP is homophobic. Not only have far too many members of the party for them to be credible been recorded as saying the list that was posted further back in the thread, these people have also been allowed to keep their jobs. Despite the fact that "Nigel" has apparently said that he doesn't tolerate it. They also are the only party running for government that makes no mention whatsoever of LGBT rights and when questioned about this claims that gay people fall into the "special interest" category.

UKIP is racist. Sorry to say, but you're statement about "illegals" earlier followed by your adoration for them is enough to prove that to me. Plus, their manifesto is littered with so much passive racism like "British people being given priority over employment," that I can't believe that I'm having to explain it so many times.

Can you prove to me that their not either of the things that I am accusing them of?

I do not have to prove a negative. There is nothing in the manifesto that is racist, it has been scrutinised by the worlds media since launch as well as the other parties, universities and think tanks.

No one has found any racism so if you have it would be nothing short of a miracle

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by lily.

UKIP is basically just a new name for the National Front. Remember them?

no lily it is not as well you know

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I do not have to prove a negative. There is nothing in the manifesto that is racist, it has been scrutinised by the worlds media since launch as well as the other parties, universities and think tanks.

No one has found any racism so if you have it would be nothing short of a miracle

And yet I have to tell you again and again why I and so many other people think they are?

Ok.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Irrelevant, and to be honest as a young party the prevalence of instances where members misdemeanors seem to be a damning indictment of their core values.

It would be irrelevant. LMAO.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

And yet I have to tell you again and again why I and so many other people think they are?

Ok.

you think what you like but its not based on evidence in policy or what the party stands for and is built on

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no lily it is not as well you know

Are you suggesting I'm baiting?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It would be irrelevant. LMAO.

Yes it is, people are not drawn to labour or conservatives due to their views on fiddling tax are they? :/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by lily.

Are you suggesting I'm baiting?

well the statement is patently untrue and totally unfounded.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lily.

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

Do you really believe that there are many people on benefits that are scroungers? is that what a newspaper told you? Do the rich tax dodgers that steal billions upon billions more from our economy that dwarves what "benefit dodgers" take not worry you more?

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well the statement is patently untrue and totally unfounded.

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Do you really believe that there are many people on benefits that are scroungers? is that what a newspaper told you? Do the rich tax dodgers that steal billions upon billions more from our economy that dwarves what "benefit dodgers" take not worry you more?

It has nothing to do with newspapers. It has to do with the people in the area where I live. I see it every day. I know they are dodging work. I know they aren't disabled. They freely admit it. Yet they get a free car, and a ****load of benefits.

I don't live in a particularly nice area.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lily.

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.

Trumpy sings that to himself every night at bedtime.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lily.

Are you suggesting I'm baiting?

Naughty, Naughty Lily.

[lily.]

Moi? A good conservative voter like myself... how very dare you. lol