[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Define the British way of life for me, I'll give that a direct answer instead.

I shouldn't need to do so to anyone who values it. No direct answer required.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Have you found any evidence that they exist yet? Genuinely asking, I havent kept up with the story or the thread really.

exactly

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I shouldn't need to do so to anyone who values it. No direct answer required.

I value the life I lead in Britain, yes.. Was that the question?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

exactly

Well last I heard there was zero evidence that they existed so the story was porbably a lie and not worth my time. Have there been any further developments?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I value the life I lead in Britain, yes.. Was that the question?

You know it wasn't. Think I got the gist though.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You know it wasn't. Think I got the gist though.

Well how the **** am I supposed to know if I value the (your?) British way of life without a definition?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in response. Those shouting racist and far-right to shut people down started it provoking an understandable response.

In response to what? Look at the thread title, the majority of posts. This thread is basically an excuse to attack anyone who thinks differently and it's all based on the blatant lies of someone looking to promote their business.

IF the thing about the Golliwogs is true then people have a right to complain from both sides. It's a racist symbol and plus, do you really want the 'British way of life' that this shop supposedly represents to include Black Face?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

then dont

I don't.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

In response to what? Look at the thread title, the majority of posts. This thread is basically an excuse to attack anyone who thinks differently and it's all based on the blatant lies of someone looking to promote their business.

IF the thing about the Golliwogs is true then people have a right to complain from both sides. It's a racist symbol and plus, do you really want the 'British way of life' that this shop supposedly represents to include Black Face?

Absofekinglutely

Thanks for waking me up Dezzy. This is just another bait and switch thread.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

In response to what? Look at the thread title, the majority of posts. This thread is basically an excuse to attack anyone who thinks differently and it's all based on the blatant lies of someone looking to promote their business.

IF the thing about the Golliwogs is true then people have a right to complain from both sides. It's a racist symbol and plus, do you really want the 'British way of life' that this shop supposedly represents to include Black Face?

I'm not talking about just this thread, as you well know, but the many others when you and other posters have thrown around the 'racist', 'bigot', etc allegations in an attempt to shut down opposing views, then have the nerve to complain about 'loony left' comments. If you dish it out, then suck it up.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

In response to what? Look at the thread title, the majority of posts. This thread is basically an excuse to attack anyone who thinks differently and it's all based on the blatant lies of someone looking to promote their business.

IF the thing about the Golliwogs is true then people have a right to complain from both sides. It's a racist symbol and plus, do you really want the 'British way of life' that this shop supposedly represents to include Black Face?

Really, a golliwog doll, a child' toy, which has not been around for years, is more offensive than the female subjugation flag ncreasingly being waved around on our streets everyday. Only from a man!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

In response to what? Look at the thread title, the majority of posts. This thread is basically an excuse to attack anyone who thinks differently and it's all based on the blatant lies of someone looking to promote their business.

IF the thing about the Golliwogs is true then people have a right to complain from both sides. It's a racist symbol and plus, do you really want the 'British way of life' that this shop supposedly represents to include Black Face?

What, in one breath you imply the guy is lying, but in the other are keen to find offence regarding a defunct doll, suggesting that bit could be true. Can't have it both ways.

What I don't want is for The British way of life' representing increasing misogyny on our streets.

I think your priorities are scewered.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'm not talking about just this thread, as you well know, but the many others when you and other posters have thrown around the 'racist', 'bigot', etc allegations in an attempt to shut down opposing views, then have the nerve to complain about 'loony left' comments. If you dish it out, then suck it up.

Go find me examples then, if you make claims you have to back them up. I'm waiting.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Really, a golliwog doll, a child' toy, which has not been around for years, is more offensive than the female subjugation flag ncreasingly being waved around on our streets everyday. Only from a man!

It's not a competition of what's more offensive. what relevance does this 'flag' have to a discussion about a shop that apparently 'celebrates the British way of life?' Very little, I'm guessing unlike the Golliwog.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What, in one breath you imply the guy is lying, but in the other are keen to find offence regarding a defunct doll, suggesting that bit could be true. Can't have it both ways.

You should perhaps read posts more carefully, also try to read the original article so you understand the story better.

The only 'complaint' listed in the article is a very mild and reasonably presented point. Hardly the 'attacks' the shop owner is making them out to be.

I said that the bit about his shop being trashed was a blatant lie. The article offers proof of people 'complaining' (if you can call the example that). If the Golliwog thing is true then people would have reason to complain. I never doubted that he didn't have 'complaints,' It was the OTT comments he made about people trashing his shop and threatening to protest it that I didn't believe (unlike the example in the article, there's no proof whatsoever of his claims).

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Go find me examples then, if you make claims you have to back them up. I'm waiting.



It's not a competition of what's more offensive. what relevance does this 'flag' have to a discussion about a shop that apparently 'celebrates the British way of life?' Very little, I'm guessing unlike the Golliwog.



You should perhaps read posts more carefully, also try to read the original article so you understand the story better.

The only 'complaint' listed in the article is a very mild and reasonably presented point. Hardly the 'attacks' the shop owner is making them out to be.

I said that the bit about his shop being trashed was a blatant lie. The article offers proof of people 'complaining' (if you can call the example that). If the Golliwog thing is true then people would have reason to complain. I never doubted that he didn't have 'complaints,' It was the OTT comments he made about people trashing his shop and threatening to protest it that I didn't believe (unlike the example in the article, there's no proof whatsoever of his claims).

I don't need to back up anything plenty of others have criticised you for this, again as you well know. Rather silly to try and deny it.

The doll is no longer made as was deemed racist. Misogyny, the subjugation of women and sexism is rife on our streets today with the increase in migration. But you get all worked up about a stupid defunct doll. It is simply deflecting attention away from the real problems in Britain today.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't need to back up anything plenty of others have criticised you for this, again as you well know. Rather silly to try and deny it.

The doll is no longer made as was deemed racist. Misogyny, the subjugation of women and sexism is rife on our streets today with the increase in migration. But you get all worked up about a stupid defunct doll. It is simply deflecting attention away from the real problems in Britain today.

So you can't back it up, it didn't happen then.

Again, This shop apparently selling Golliwogs has nothing to do with immigration so that's a void point unless you can link it to the discussion at hand.

[arista]

Yes there was another Shop trying to sell Golli.....
but after so many Death Threats - They removed them.

No more news on there shop
it was outside London........

[arista]

"Misogyny, the subjugation of women and sexism is rife on our streets today "

whats wrong that?
Brillo

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

"Misogyny, the subjugation of women and sexism is rife on our streets today "

whats wrong that?
Brillo

FFS

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you can't back it up, it didn't happen then.

Again, This shop apparently selling Golliwogs has nothing to do with immigration so that's a void point unless you can link it to the discussion at hand.

A discussion on any 'ism' can link together with another especially when one is defended and another is not. It is called hypocrisy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

"Misogyny, the subjugation of women and sexism is rife on our streets today "

whats wrong that?
Brillo

I hope you are joking, if not I don't know how you get away with it as sexism is every bit as bad as racism and shouldn't be tolerated anywhere.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes there was another Shop trying to sell Golli.....
but after so many Death Threats - They removed them.

No more news on there shop
it was outside London........

Death threats for selling gollies, makes them every bit as bad as the racists and some.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Death threats for selling gollies, makes them every bit as bad as the racists and some.

You do not know
if the angry person
was attacked years ago?

Its just not worth the trouble

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

You do not know
if the angry person
was attacked years ago?

Its just not worth the trouble

Good point, the ignorant 'it's a doll' argument doesn't take into account what those dolls represent. It may be generations of subjugation or a childhood of cruel taunts.

They are in that respect as British as colonialism, and for me that is one aspect of being British I am NOT proud of.
For it to be inferred I should be is as insulting as it is repugnant.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

Good point, the ignorant 'it's a doll' argument doesn't take into account what those dolls represent. It may be generations of subjugation or a childhood of cruel taunts.

They are in that respect as British as colonialism, and for me that is one aspect of being British I am NOT proud of.
For it to be inferred I should be is as insulting as it is repugnant.

You of course you miss the crucial bit - it is a defunct doll whose manufacture was stopped. The message was got and acted upon. Death threats are not justification for some small shop allegedly selling some. Death threats come from bullies and cowards any any justification for such behaviour makes for pretty uncomfortable reading.

As for subjugation - the subjugation of women is current and being dismissed by those who clearly set different values for racism and sexism. Both are illegal and both are wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You of course you miss the crucial bit - it is a defunct doll whose manufacture was stopped. The message was got and acted upon. Death threats are not justification for some small shop allegedly selling some. Death threats come from bullies and cowards any any justification for such behaviour makes for pretty uncomfortable reading.

As for subjugation - the subjugation of women is current and being dismissed by those who clearly set different values for racism and sexism. Both are illegal and both are wrong.

They were outlawed yes, so why is it surprising there is a backlash to them being found back on sale? And to add insult to injury in a place that is supposed to be testament to all things British!
As a Brit I'm massively offended that the owner would dare suggest that is an item that defines my heritage.

Do not twist my words.... There was no justification of death threats, my view of what the item may represent could never in any rational scenario be mistaken for that.

Whatever you feel regarding other examples of subjugation they are for another thread.