[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Personally I expect them to not murder anyone but maybe I'm asking too much.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Personally I expect them to not murder anyone but maybe I'm asking too much.

That's what you expect them not to do, I asked, what do you expect them to do?

[Alf]

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

Well yeah, precisely..

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Not threaten MPs with death and such, for sure. Not sure why anyone thinks thats an acceptable response?

Not about 'surrendering' and being submissive tbh. Its about behaving like a civilized person. Mind, given some of the people (not all, before anyone starts) involved, cannot really expect anything except from a caveman response. but its still not acceptable.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

Not really. However, given a lot of people voted leave as they were promised that a deal would be super easy, and the EU would bend over backwards to give us a good one (for what reason, I don't know) and everything..

1) I expect them not to resort to violence and stamping feet like children. Nor for this to be excused or made out to be a normal response in any way..
2)I don't think its too unreasonable to have a vote that is basically, given a deal seems out of the window and a deal was a large part of the leave campaign..no deal or revoke. Only thing that makes any sense at this stage.

Hell I know leavers who are quite mortified with how everything turned out as they really did expect sunshine and rainbows and the Eu licking our backsides and basically, all the bad of being an EU member gone, with the good kept. Who say if they knew all this no deal body bag storing crap we have right now, they would never have voted at all. And thats just my parents Others seem a bit more..angry about the lies they were fed and not quite as..nice getting the point across.

Also know a few who are all 'rargh, crash out, we will survive, get the browns out, rule Britannia! Democracy!', but those seem in the minority thank goodness.

So no continually voting until one result comes. But 1 vote thats actually honest, to settle things. Given leavers are so confident that MORE people want to leave (and with no deal..) now, I don't see why they are scared of a vote to confirm this Also don't think its un-democratic to do this, given the whole 'deal will be simple' stuff that turned out to be possibly the biggest lie told in all of it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

So you want a referendum with the question "no deal on the table yes or no" is that right?

What if the result came back as, keep no deal on the table. And then we can only negotiate a bad deal, which is what we've done so far. Would you then say "no deal" must be implemented?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

So you want a referendum with the question "no deal on the table yes or no" is that right?

What if the result came back as, keep no deal on the table. And then we can only negotiate a bad deal, which is what we've done so far. Would you then say "no deal" must be implemented?

No, if we're expected to leave with no deal, it needs to go to another referendum for no deal vs remain, if we get one of the unicorn deals they promised then we leave.

Also, it's a myth that the risk of ND being off the table will hurt our bargaining position, as it's been on throughout the last 3 years, and how has that worked out at the negotiating table? Give us what we want all we'll blow our own heads off, has never, or will ever be a good negotiation tactic.

[bitontheslide]

I am going to say it as no one else has .......


Arista, can you please change the thread title, it's out of date

[Alf]

I think Boris is just gonna take us out with no deal on Halloween, if the Parliament can't agree on anything by then.

He'll deal with the consequences after, but if he doesn't get us out by any means necessary on Halloween, then he probably destroys his party, which is why I think no deal is happening on Halloween.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I am going to say it as no one else has .......


Arista, can you please change the thread title, it's out of date

Its Adams thread
Suggest a New Title for him.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Alf

I think Boris is just gonna take us out with no deal on Halloween, if the Parliament can't agree on anything by then.

He'll deal with the consequences after, but if he doesn't get us out by any means necessary on Halloween, then he probably destroys his party, which is why I think no deal is happening on Halloween.

He has to request an extension if we don't get a deal by the 14th I think the date is, so if he doesn't do it, he will not be PM and will not be able to take us out without a deal.

[arista]

The SNP say next week they Want
Johnson PM
OUT,
They are ready to back Corbyn as the temp PM

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

I think thats too many votes tbh. We all know the majority (yes, even leavers) wanted a deal, and expected one. A few might not have, but..its just bull to say all leavers want no deal. So only one more vote. As I said, no deal crash, or revoke.

Whichever is chosen, do. If it does end up being crash, do it and hope for the best, no more voting as its clear. At least that way, people knew what they voted for.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think thats too many votes tbh. We all know the majority (yes, even leavers) wanted a deal, and expected one. A few might not have, but..its just bull to say all leavers want no deal. So only one more vote. As I said, no deal crash, or revoke.

Whichever is chosen, do. If it does end up being crash, do it and hope for the best, no more voting as its clear. At least that way, people knew what they voted for.

That's 1 vote. They get their deal and we leave, or we go to a new referendum of ND vs remain.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

They are ready to back Corbyn as the temp PM

Will this be him only..being caretaker for the brexit thing? Or having power to do other stuff too? As basically, I really do not want to crash out, but I also really really do not want Corbyn having any kind of power as..well some of his views and things he has said he will do terrify me to be quite honest. I agree with a LOT of his policies, no austerity and such. But others..nope nope nope. So that possibly would be lose lose for me, and a very difficult decision in my head!

[The Slim Reaper]

[Toy Soldier]

I'm honestly starting to think that hard Brexit or not, whatever happens there, Mr Johnson might have gotten himself into some deep water...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Will this be him only..being caretaker for the brexit thing? Or having power to do other stuff too? As basically, I really do not want to crash out, but I also really really do not want Corbyn having any kind of power as..well some of his views and things he has said he will do terrify me to be quite honest. I agree with a LOT of his policies, no austerity and such. But others..nope nope nope. So that possibly would be lose lose for me, and a very difficult decision in my head!

Yes.
Only a caretaking government Vicky.

To get the extension, remove no deal as a scenario.
Then once that's done call a general election.

An agreed caretaking period only to secure that extension and clear the no deal threat.

Anything else he has no numbers for anyway.
It would be an agreed time limited frame too.

However, the numbers aren't there for Corbyn and the opposition parties.
The Lib Dems aren't there, yet.

Also though, the Independents votes would be needed to bring this limited period purpose about.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

About bloody time!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's 1 vote. They get their deal and we leave, or we go to a new referendum of ND vs remain.

Haha, have confused myself now here. As you said another vote, no deal or deal. But then, if a deal cannot be reached (which at this point its clear it can't) then another vote, no deal or remain.

Thats another 2?

When we all know at this stage, a decent deal was pie in the sky nonsense, no acceptable deal is possible at this stage, so the 'no deal or deal' thing can surely be..well disregarded as its the situation we have been in for years now with no going foward

Really, should kinda be accepted now that if we leave at all, it will be with no deal. And of course, that 'project fear' was..well accurate (at least in that part). As the possibility of crashing out without a deal was apparently just remoaner scaremongering which would never ever ever happen so could be utterly disregarded

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'd been wondering why no serious journalist or major publication had picked up on this story

An article in the Byline Times, which has been shared tens of thousands of times on social media, makes a series of claims about donors to Vote Leave and Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign standing to profit from a no deal Brexit.

But at least one key part of the article—a claim that the number of “short positions” taken by hedge funds increased dramatically in the lead up to Boris Johnson’s election as Conservative leader—seems likely to be based on a misunderstanding of the data.

In reality, no such spike in the number of short positions seems to have occurred

Read more: https://fullfact.org/economy/short-positions/

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'd been wondering why no serious journalist or major publication had picked up on this story



Read more: https://fullfact.org/economy/short-positions/

It has been picked up by the FT at least. I know that for a fact, and there maybe more.

They did address the fact they were fact checked and provided more info. I will dig it out for you to read, but as you can appreciate, things have been moving pretty rapidly so I don't have it directly to hand. Give me a day.

[Twosugars]

The civil servant in charge of Brexit implementation has quit.

Matthew Coats’s departure in the next few weeks is a blow to the government’s no-deal planning as he was also in charge of delivering frictionless borders.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm honestly starting to think that hard Brexit or not, whatever happens there, Mr Johnson might have gotten himself into some deep water...

Sure he can
take that.

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to Solve it all
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