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Old 14-06-2018, 10:38 PM   #1
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They face up to 15 years in a Spanish prison if found guilty
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Even with a film of it, they will get off and the girl will be blamed in some way or called a liar or something. I have no faith in the 'system' for rape/sexual assault cases anymore and cannot blame women for not reporting tbh given how they are treated when they do report.

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more laughing at these vile idiots, sorry but let it hopefully also be a lesson for football clubs to teach these players some manners in their social lives


because of this embarrassing incident, they had ruined their careers for good

it is sad for the girl i know, but it is funny because what they did was so dumb and so so preventable
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because of this embarrassing incident, they had ruined their careers for good

it is sad for the girl i know, but it is funny because what they did was so dumb and so so preventable
Sexual assault is hilarious
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Even with a film of it, they will get off and the girl will be blamed in some way or called a liar or something. I have no faith in the 'system' for rape/sexual assault cases anymore and cannot blame women for not reporting tbh given how they are treated when they do report.

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Not really a footballer spent years behind bars for rape not long back then was found not guilty at a retrial
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Sexual assault is hilarious
i feel sad for the girl, i Always feel sad for the victims of sexual assualt


but in this case, professional football players who did rape a girl in spain, umm sorry but i find that immature lowlife scum, and if i were the football club i would fine them and then fire them immediately



i just laughed because i didn't expect this sort of behaviour coming from football players
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Even with a film of it, they will get off and the girl will be blamed in some way or called a liar or something. I have no faith in the 'system' for rape/sexual assault cases anymore and cannot blame women for not reporting tbh given how they are treated when they do report.

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Yup, the system is utterly ****ed when it comes to how Rape trials are carried out. It's the victim on trial and not the defendant. It shouldn't come down to whether the victim's actions 'invited' the attacker on, it should come down to one simple fact, did the defendant have consent or not?

When you look at the low conviction rates of rape across the board I wonder why anyone bothers reporting it. It's a ****ing epidemic and has been since time immemorial and the courts won't equip themselves with the right attitudes or approach to cases to deal with it.
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Yup, the system is utterly ****ed when it comes to how Rape trials are carried out. It's the victim on trial and not the defendant. It shouldn't come down to whether the victim's actions 'invited' the attacker on, it should come down to one simple fact, did the defendant have consent or not?

When you look at the low conviction rates of rape across the board I wonder why anyone bothers reporting it. It's a ****ing epidemic and has been since time immemorial and the courts won't equip themselves with the right attitudes or approach to cases to deal with it.
Most of the blame goes with the police officers though

They ever hide evidence or dont take the evidence serious enough
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That's actually not true, police officers should and do log ell evidence and statements and do so without judgement. They have no bearing on how the trial goes down beyond their investigations and the evidence they unearth but as seen in a lot of rape trials, slutshaming and discrediting the victim is more important than determining whether consent was given or not.
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That's actually not true, police officers should and do log ell evidence and statements and do so without judgement. They have no bearing on how the trial goes down beyond their investigations and the evidence they unearth but as seen in a lot of rape trials, slutshaming and discrediting the victim is more important than determining whether consent was given or not.
Over 100 cases have had to be dropped because not all evidence had been sent to the courts which led to alot of people going to prison some that wasnt guilty to start with
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This is a dangerous attitude to have, convictions of rape are critically low, I don't think you should spread fake news that makes them it seem like the system is against the defendant when it's obvious that the reverse is true. Have people been sent down for crimes they didn't commit? Absolutely, is it common enough to cite as an example to doubt rape victims and the police? No.
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Look at the Irish rugby team story for an example of the opposite being true, evidence and testimony from the Taxi driver that picked the victim up afterwards painted a damning picture and there was other evidence that was disallowed in court for silly reasons that would have changed the verdict handed down.
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This is a dangerous attitude to have, convictions of rape are critically low, I don't think you should spread fake news that makes them it seem like the system is against the defendant when it's obvious that the reverse is true. Have people been sent down for crimes they didn't commit? Absolutely, is it common enough to cite as an example to doubt rape victims and the police? No.
It is common knowledge that they have quotas to hit and they tried to make everyone guility

That isnt to say people were not guilty but not everyone was and it has a ripple effect on everyone where even victims will automatically be judged if they are lying or not
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It is common knowledge that they have quotas to hit and they tried to make everyone guility

That isnt to say people were not guilty but not everyone was and it has a ripple effect on everyone where even victims will automatically be judged if they are lying or not
That's a bit of a myth tbh.

They don't falsify charges to hit targets, if that was the case then rape convictions would be way higher than they actually are.
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