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setanta · 13-11-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i think the poster is referring to happy land where the liberals run free and you get lager out of the cold tap.

Happy land? What are you talking about? Don't hide behind your own ignorance and fear of other ways and methods of living. It's not as black and white as that... you're far too rigid.

I'm simply stating that same sex partnerships should be given that opportunity to nurture and love a child if they've been together for a significant length of time. The cold reality it that divorce rates are climbing all the time and domestic abuse is everywhere in heterosexual relationships. They're not exactly working so why not allow same sex relationships to have a child?

setanta · 13-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yes, you're right but at the same time, I don't think it's fair to suggest that same sex couples would be any different, relationships are relationships after all

Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 30stone

Bullying wont stop, EVER.

people get picked on every day at school and it doesnt stop until they move school sometimes.. it happens again.

No but prejudice can be tackled and has been, and not by hiding away either

Niamh. · 13-11-2009, 01:59 PM

I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.

It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess

Niamh. · 13-11-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.

I couldn't even comment on it tbh, I have no idea what the statistics are for either hetro or same sex couples in regards to domestic violence!

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Right so what your saying is a ginger haired boy should dye his hair incase of ridicule? Or should we as a society say ridicule is wrong? We've come along way because people have fought prejudice Trumpet dude, so dont give me "its the way it is bollox"! If we all had that attitude we'd still be sat round the fire in our caves mate!

No I am saying I would not like to be the wee boy at school with 2 dads. I think where possible we should have mums and dads and we should do everything we can to maintain that.

I know that lots of gay folks are on dj and tibb and it can get a little squewed in terms of influence but with 1-5 % of the population and then a tiny percentage of that having a CP and wanting to adopt, there are bigger fish to fry in terms of adoption.

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!

Yeh I agree with you that all children should have male and female role models that have a big part in their life. So if same sex couples do apopt it would be healthier for the children if they did have a good role model of the opposite sex....thats an ideal situation and their are plenty of kids that dont even have two parents so why not give same sex couples a go

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess

That's what I've always thought. Hey, I love women but at the same time they drive me nuts, as I'm sure I do them. I think in a perfect world we'd ride each other for babies and then have same sex partners to nurture the children ha ha. But yeah, that would never happen... think we enjoy the drama too much.

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess

yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...

NettoSuperstar! · 13-11-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...

lol

30stone · 13-11-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

No but prejudice can be tackled and has been, and not by hiding away either

Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?

Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..

Who they gunna pick on.

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!

Yes, but I'm sure that the children would be given a role model from both sexes. It's not like gays live in a lezzer or gay retreat with no other influences or friends. I'm sure they'd have an understanding of how important it is for the child to have that connection.

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...

God, phone the NSPCC quick.

Niamh. · 13-11-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Yes, but I'm sure that the children would be given a role model from both sexes. It's not like gays live in a lezzer or gay retreat with no other influences or friends. I'm sure they'd have an understanding of how important it is for the child to have that connection.

Yes, I'm sure you're right and that's great but It's not the same as having a parent of each sex as a role model. Nobody loves or cares for their own kids like an actual parent does and there is no substitute for that.

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yes, I'm sure you're right and that's great but It's not the same as having a parent of each sex as a role model. Nobody loves or cares for their own kids like an actual parent does and there is no substitute for that.

Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.

are you a homosexual setanta?

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 30stone

Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?

Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..

Who they gunna pick on.

a school layground?

blimey, school has changed since i was a boy - all we had was "kiss, cuddle and torture"!

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

are you a homosexual setanta?

What relevance does that have to this discussion?

Niamh. · 13-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.

I'm speaking as a parent Setanta, my beliefs come from what I've experienced myself as a child and how I feel as a parent. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying thats what I feel on the situation. What I want for both my kids is for them to have both their mother and their father in their lives cos I can see the benefits of both. They do have grandads and uncles as well but, in my eyes nothing comes close to their dad

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I'm speaking as a parent Setanta, my beliefs come from what I've experienced myself as a child and how I feel as a parent. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying thats what I feel on the situation. What I want for both my kids is for them to have both their mother and their father in their lives cos I can see the benefits of both. They do have grandads and uncles as well but, in my eyes nothing comes close to their dad

It depends on the father really.

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

What relevance does that have to this discussion?

and do you have children?

Niamh. · 13-11-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

It depends on the father really.

Well, yes absolutely and when I said my experiances as a child, I meant my father was a waste of space but I would have liked a good father. When I look at my husband with the kids sometimes it makes me sad that I didn't have that which is why I think that kids deserve a good mother & father

setanta · 13-11-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and do you have children?

Seriously, why are you asking me these kind of questions when they have literally no bearing on the subject at hand? Lets not personalize things too much here because that's how misjudgements are usually made, when we start to think subjectively rather than objectively, which is your main problem when you're in discussions.

LeatherTrumpet · 13-11-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Seriously, why are you asking me these kind of questions when they have literally no bearing on the subject at hand? Lets not personalize things too much here because that's how misjudgements are usually made, when we start to think subjectively rather than objectively, which is your main problem when you're in discussions.

I just think some of your points have to be from someone who is not a parent, just checking.

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