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LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:36 PM

is she onto something and will she be the pres one day?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...lf-to-God.html

The former US vice-presidential candidate argued that a humble spirit could help leaders to get more answers on issues such as health care, energy and national security.

In a video released Friday by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, the 2008 Republican candidate for vice president, said it was important for leaders to recognise they don't have all the answers.

Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.

"I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."

The former Alaska governor referred to an Abraham Lincoln proclamation that declared a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer.

She said the United States has been "touched by God" because the nation's early leaders dedicated the country to God.

Mrs Palin said: "If we could get back to that, that humbleness, with that kind of contrite spirit, I think that we would be able to be provided more of the answers to so many of the great challenges that we're facing.

"And these are huge challenges, whether we're talking about health care, whether we're talking about energy independence, whether we're talking about national security measures."

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:37 PM

Well it's all rubbish really. American politicians use God to get the votes, the bible belt is massive.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:39 PM

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Well it's all rubbish really. American politicians use God to get the votes, the bible belt is massive.

You make that sound bad

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:41 PM

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You make that sound bad

Well it is really. God has nothing to do with politics.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:44 PM

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Well it is really. God has nothing to do with politics.

Perhaps but there is nothing wrong in our Politicians being God fearing.

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:45 PM

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Perhaps but there is nothing wrong in our Politicians being God fearing.

You can't fear something that does not exist.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:48 PM

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You can't fear something that does not exist.

iyho

which may be incorrect

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:49 PM

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iyho

which may be incorrect

It is getting closer to fact everyday. All theists have is faith.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:50 PM

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It is getting closer to fact everyday. All theists have is faith.

how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:51 PM

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how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.

Well Science has theories, Religion has old folk tales.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:53 PM

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Well Science has theories, Religion has old folk tales.

if you come at it from that standpoint then you hoist yourself on your own petard

InOne · 06-12-2009, 02:56 PM

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if you come at it from that standpoint then you hoist yourself on your own petard

I don't even think you are religious, you're most likely taking the piss.

setanta · 06-12-2009, 02:56 PM

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how so. all you have is faith too. each generation has a faith in the knowledge of the day. 100 years later that knowledge is horlicks.

Look how Bush used faith as a powerful tool in his plans to bomb the shite outta Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a dangerous and highly manipulative weapon to use in politics.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 02:58 PM

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Look how Bush used faith as a powerful tool in his plans to bomb the shite outta Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a dangerous and highly manipulative weapon to use in politics.

To be fair Bush would have used anything to get his own way, religion was closest at hand.

setanta · 06-12-2009, 03:00 PM

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To be fair Bush would have used anything to get his own way, religion was closest at hand.

But you've proven my point.... it's a dangerous weapon in politics and should be treated accordingly, with great care and deliberation. Actually, I feel sickly when anyone uses it in politics. A very cheap trick.

LeatherTrumpet · 06-12-2009, 03:01 PM

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But you've proven my point.... it's a dangerous weapon in politics and should be treated accordingly, with great care and deliberation. Actually, I feel sickly when anyone uses it in politics. A very cheap trick.

what do you mean uses it?

do you disagree with Palin's sentiment?

InOne · 06-12-2009, 03:02 PM

Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.

"I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."

That would make America 10x worse, there is already too many powerful fundies high up in American politics

Stu · 06-12-2009, 03:14 PM

I actually liken this to mental illness. How she is drawing completely out of the blue, baseless, abstract conclusions attributed to 'God'. Isn't it funny how God always causes the good stuff, but never the bad?

Fuck it. Let her pray. When she gets a voice in the wind or in a burning bush telling her how to fix her country, she can let us know.

setanta · 06-12-2009, 03:18 PM

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what do you mean uses it?

do you disagree with Palin's sentiment?

Of course I do. Mixing wishy washy religious rhetoric with politics is a dangerous game and a cheap tactic to gain support that's been a typical policy adapted by many parties. Absolute wank if you ask me.

Tom4784 · 06-12-2009, 03:22 PM

Politics should never mix with religion really as most religion is biased and if we model a government after it it'll only lead to (more) discrimination. As for Sarah Palin is president? I wouldn't want that mad cow anywhere near the white house, she's George Bush with a vagina.